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[QUOTE=Ozzz;639756]Originally posted by Jasonmc73 View Post
I highly appreciate super select while looking for a 4wd. I guess 2H is a great option for soccer mums when their Paj never leave bitumen. Due to Paj monocoque design, the idea to minimise the vibration and improve fuel is excellent to help sales or meet the emission requirement? When I tested drive the Paj, sales person put it on 2H, and I switched it to 4H
I appreciate it as well, but i guess you & i will use it differentlyMitsubishi Pajero NX MY16 GLS with Sand Grabba floor mats, Ultragauge, Automate & Paddle gear shifters with Vlads traction control mod, Nautia switch panel, ARB compressor, Redarc Tow Pro, Anderson plug, Bushskinz front & rear alloy plates, Kaon light duty cargo barrier & rear door table
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Originally posted by cruisn06 View PostThe only gain in traction will be seen in acceleration. you're turning and stopping is not improved by running 4wd at all. unless you are rally spec driving and whipping it into a corner hard enough that your angle is 90 degrees to the corner and you are using the power of spinning tyres to help pull you through the turn... otherwise this is moot.
In my experience in dirt roads 4wd driving behavour is easely noticable from 2wd...maybe a little more boring but noticable hehehe.2000 SWB NL 3.5 SOHC V6 AT.
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Originally posted by aussieintas View PostSo are you saying on a gravel road or wet oily road going round a corner there is no difference in traction being in 4H or 2H, unless accelerating?07 Mitsubishi Pajero Shorty - Currently rolling around... Parked in Armenia for the moment
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I will not go into my experience in driving in differing countries and my current role in my employment but safe to say I know a little bit about driving. Saying you saw more 4wd in ditches is possibly more to do with the driver ability than the vehicle being driven....who knows. I see too many times drivers who think the vehicle will save them or drive them out of a situation where they have messed up.
When in 4H the system apportions power 33/67% front to rear, thus when driving around in 4H I believe there is a safety benefit. It apportions this power regardless of accelerating or cornering or braking so with all 4 wheels driving the vehicle I believe there is a benefit, especially when things are slippery for what ever reasons.
You are contradictory in your statement and slightly confusing as you say there is......"only a gain when accelerating......otherwise this is moot". Thus my point isn't moot as there is a gain
Anyway, we'll agree to disagree my friend and as I said in my post, everyone has a differing take for many reasons on this matter.2014 VW Touareg V6 diesel
Previously
88 NF Exe SWB 2.6 manual
92 NH Gls LWB 3.0 auto
92 NH J-Top 2.5 manual
99 Landcruiser Gxl 4.5 manual with all the fruit
95 NJ Gls SWB 3.0 auto
08 NS Vrx SWB 3.2 auto
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I too have made the same observations as Crusin06, both in the snowfields and the outback, but my conclusions are slightly different.
1. Ththere a more damaged 4wd/AWD vehicles because generally there are more of these vehicle operating in these areas on roads, than convential 2wd cars.
2. The extra traction and control provided by an AWD and 4wd means that many people are now travelling faster than they should. This is a major problem when you lose traction and the vehicle is no longer under your control. The higher the speed the greater the momentum and the more inertia and less time so things go pear shape very quickly. Most drivers do not have the training or skill to handle a vehicle once it has lost traction, this is why all the automatic safety systems on new vehicles are so good, problem is they do give many a false sense of security and an inflated sense of ability.
If you veiw traction as the cars grip on the ground and this is what you need to accelerate, maintain a set speed, brake and steer. Once traction is lost then you lose the ability to have 100% control of the vehicle and physics take over.
We have brakes on all 4 wheels so having drive on all 4 wheels is an added advantage for maintaining traction whilst accelerating, braking, steering and the maintaining a desired speed.
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Originally posted by aussieintas View PostI will not go into my experience in driving in differing countries and my current role in my employment but safe to say I know a little bit about driving. Saying you saw more 4wd in ditches is possibly more to do with the driver ability than the vehicle being driven....who knows. I see too many times drivers who think the vehicle will save them or drive them out of a situation where they have messed up.
When in 4H the system apportions power 33/67% front to rear, thus when driving around in 4H I believe there is a safety benefit. It apportions this power regardless of accelerating or cornering or braking so with all 4 wheels driving the vehicle I believe there is a benefit, especially when things are slippery for what ever reasons.
You are contradictory in your statement and slightly confusing as you say there is......"only a gain when accelerating......otherwise this is moot". Thus my point isn't moot as there is a gain
Anyway, we'll agree to disagree my friend and as I said in my post, everyone has a differing take for many reasons on this matter.
PHYSICS PEOPLE. you have a finite amount of traction/friction available. if you accelerate you lose friction available for steering and vice versa.
Now, if you apply the brakes in a corner when you are losing it, obviously the weight transfer will help regain turning ability, not so much the 4wd system.
4wd = acceleration only on roads. not handling ability.
The issue is most on here keep saying you can turn and handle better.. you cant. maybe during a club meet there should be a test or something. do a turn on gravel and see which vehicle scrubs out quicker when turning.07 Mitsubishi Pajero Shorty - Currently rolling around... Parked in Armenia for the moment
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4wd is being thrown around a lot here. I wonder how many of you actually mean AWD or 4H? I use 4H as soon as I leave a sealed road or am driving in the wet. My question would be (as a newbie to 4wd's) when should I be locking the centre dif (4Hlc) and actually be in 4wd? I have always reserved 4wd for when a track gets a bit tougher, but have heard 4wd should be used even on an average dirt road at 60-80km/h.2009 NT GLS Manual DiD, Cool Silver Metallic, OzTec shocks & raised King springs, Falken Wildpeak AT3W 265/70R17, OEM nudge bar, BushSkinz bash plates, BushSkinz side steps, ARB alloy rack, ARB awning, Ultra Vision light bar, Uniden comms, 100AH lithium battery and 30L Dometic fridge, custom drawers, work in progress...
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Originally posted by willneill View Post4wd is being thrown around a lot here. I wonder how many of you actually mean AWD or 4H? I use 4H as soon as I leave a sealed road or am driving in the wet. My question would be (as a newbie to 4wd's) when should I be locking the centre dif (4Hlc) and actually be in 4wd? I have always reserved 4wd for when a track gets a bit tougher, but have heard 4wd should be used even on an average dirt road at 60-80km/h.
I usually drive in 4H most of the time but uses 2WD mode as well at times just to save a bit of fuel on long drives and to make sure system is being activated once in a while. In saying that I have never experienced loosing traction even on scenarios when you turn in on loose surfaces at allowable speed. Not sure if driving a Petrol Pajero makes a difference maybe because of lesser kerb weight and mass than diesel Pajero and because of substantially less torque rating 329 versus 441 Nm.09 NT Pajero Exceed V6 (OEM Nudge bar, Bonnet Protectors+Headlight Protectors, Stedi light bar, IDrive throttle controller, Lifted with Dobinson IMS Suspension)
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Originally posted by willneill View Post4wd is being thrown around a lot here. I wonder how many of you actually mean AWD or 4H? I use 4H as soon as I leave a sealed road or am driving in the wet. My question would be (as a newbie to 4wd's) when should I be locking the centre dif (4Hlc) and actually be in 4wd? I have always reserved 4wd for when a track gets a bit tougher, but have heard 4wd should be used even on an average dirt road at 60-80km/h.2015 NX GLS, Factory alloy bar, Kings HD Springs & Koni Shocks with 50mm lift, MM Auto Mate, Paddle shift kit, dual batteries with Redarc DC/DC, LRA 58L tank, Safari snorkel, Boo's bash plates (full set), 17" steels with BFG KO2's, Drifta drawers with slide, TPMS, Uniden UH8080S, Alpine iLX-702D head unit.
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Interesting argument, I always drive in 4H as I feel it would give me better handling, wasn’t having AWD one of the reasons why the Nissan GTR Godzilla was so dominant in the early 90s, but then if you look at other Championships such as F1, NASCAR, Supercars, Indy’ Le Mans don’t employ AWD, but I guess it’s no advantage if every team has it and perhaps the extra parts,weight,design, cost vs advantage doesn’t stack up anyway, perhaps it’s just the rules. Even in Rally Driving it was really only Subaru and Lancer that had AWD, everyone other team I am sure was either Front Wheel and Rear Wheel Drive. Food for thought.2011 30th Anniversary NT, TME Tuned, 2 inch Billies/Dobs lift HD rear/MD front. Arb Deluxe Bar, Mitsi Tow bar, LRA Aux tank, Clearview Mirrors, Tekonsha Electric Brake Controller, iDrive, Manta 3 inch Turbo back Exhaust, Provent Catch Can, Pirelli Scorpion AT Plus 265/70/17 all corners plus spare, 9 inch iluminators, 7 inch Stedi reverse flood light, Rhino Rack, Kings Side Awning.
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Originally posted by Paj11 View PostInteresting argument, I always drive in 4H as I feel it would give me better handling, wasn’t having AWD one of the reasons why the Nissan GTR Godzilla was so dominant in the early 90s, but then if you look at other Championships such as F1, NASCAR, Supercars, Indy’ Le Mans don’t employ AWD, but I guess it’s no advantage if every team has it and perhaps the extra parts,weight,design, cost vs advantage doesn’t stack up anyway, perhaps it’s just the rules. Even in Rally Driving it was really only Subaru and Lancer that had AWD, everyone other team I am sure was either Front Wheel and Rear Wheel Drive. Food for thought.
Audi was the first manufacturer to jump on all wheel drive rally cars, and won the Group B World Rally Championship that year in 1982.
Then Lancia was the last manufacturer to win with 2wd the next year in 1983 with the rear wheel drive 037.
Then Audi again in 1984, then Peugeot in '85 and '86. That was the last year of Group B.
Introduction of Group A saw the all wheel drive Lancia Delta win 6 years in a row, then Toyota Celica GT4 in '93 and '94, then Subaru for 3 years, then Lancer Evo V in '88.
Group A rules were replaced with "World Rally Car" in 1989. All World Rally Cars are all wheel drive.
Every championship winning car since the Lancia 037 has been all wheel drive.
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I think it’s settled, put it into 4H😝2011 30th Anniversary NT, TME Tuned, 2 inch Billies/Dobs lift HD rear/MD front. Arb Deluxe Bar, Mitsi Tow bar, LRA Aux tank, Clearview Mirrors, Tekonsha Electric Brake Controller, iDrive, Manta 3 inch Turbo back Exhaust, Provent Catch Can, Pirelli Scorpion AT Plus 265/70/17 all corners plus spare, 9 inch iluminators, 7 inch Stedi reverse flood light, Rhino Rack, Kings Side Awning.
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Originally posted by Paj11 View PostI think it’s settled, put it into 4H😝07 Mitsubishi Pajero Shorty - Currently rolling around... Parked in Armenia for the moment
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All things being equal you have to say 4WD/AWD will
give you better handling across all aspects of driving and differing conditions.2011 30th Anniversary NT, TME Tuned, 2 inch Billies/Dobs lift HD rear/MD front. Arb Deluxe Bar, Mitsi Tow bar, LRA Aux tank, Clearview Mirrors, Tekonsha Electric Brake Controller, iDrive, Manta 3 inch Turbo back Exhaust, Provent Catch Can, Pirelli Scorpion AT Plus 265/70/17 all corners plus spare, 9 inch iluminators, 7 inch Stedi reverse flood light, Rhino Rack, Kings Side Awning.
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