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Hi I always thought defence department service their own cars I would say the stamp in the book is dodgy. and they are service Iím looking at a ex defence one too and Iím not worried about the books
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Thank you for all you help and suggestions!

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Not a 100% check, but look at the tyres. The tread depth, uneven tread wear. Are they the same brand? If the tyres are well worn, but all the same brand, there is a possibility that the Odo reading is genuine. Original tyre size is 265//65/17. (maybe an 18" option). If 265/70 or 265/75 are fitted, the vehicle MAY have been used in rough country.

Are the tyres AT or LT? If they are original highway tread tyres, it is likely that the vehicle has not been into too much rough stuff in its previous life, but not a 100% guarantee.

Take the vehicle on a rough road (if possible) and see how noisy the suspension is. Does the steering pull one way or another? Look at the rear tyres (all of them actually, including the spare) and check for wear on the inner edge of the tread. When towing with a heavy load, the rear tyres develop negative camber, and wear the inner edges of the tread.

Look at the spare tyre mounting. Is the spare lifted? You can tell by comparing the radius of the tyre relative to the rear cover. If they are not concentric, the spare has been lifted and the vehicle has probably towed a trailer. Not a big deal, but a further indicator.

Is the suspension lifted? The original suspension has black springs & shock absorbers. Aftermarket suppliers generally paint their stuff bright colours so that people can say "I have fitted XXXX brand stuff". Again, no big deal, but it gives a hint as to its previous usage.

If the suspension is standard, it is possible that the vehicle has not been in too much rough stuff. My NW has not had that much rough stuff in its 110000 km, but it has towed my caravan about 30000 km. Simply towing a caravan or heavy trailer doesn't mean it has been thrashed to death. At least you are not concerned about the automatic transmission failing. Exactly how much life is left in the clutch is another matter. I know with mine, I expect at least another 300000 km from the clutch.

If possible, look at the brake pads. If they are still good, they may have been replaced, or they may be like mine - again I expect to get 300000 km from the pads because of the way I drive (not in the city and always long country roads).

Are the bash plates original? If the vehicle has aftermarket bash plates, it may have been in rough stuff, but if they are original (thin metal or plastic, black), then there is a chance that the vehicle may not have bad a rough life. Again, just because aftermarket bash plates are fitted doesn't mean it has been thrashed, but it is a sign it may have spent some time in rough country.

Look behind the dust seals, especially on the rear door. If there is red dust embedded there, the vehicle has been outback. If it is relatively clean, it is normal and if it is spotless, the dealer has been there and removed evidence.....

Personally, I wouldn't be too concerned about the previous history (unless the vehicle has been in a smash). They are tough. Also, if a driver flogs a vehicle at excessive speeds, he is going to get booked soon enough (unless it is a police vehicle) and I reckon they wouldn't be using manual transmissions anyway. Obviously, no guarantees, but I would say "go for it".

There was no uneven wear, They were all the same brand, The spare tyre is still unused. Tyre size is 265/65/17.
I think they are the stock Duellers AT tyres.

I showed the report to them and they said the report was wrong, the only thing they quote for anything is "ex dod vehicle - its not possible, the report is wrong."

However, i did take the test-drive and I was very impressed with the clutch action, acceleration, breaking, steering was pretty straight, assuming that the previous owneer took quite a good care.

Suspension is stock.

I couldn't really get a good look at the break pads. from what i saw on all four, i think there is quite a lot of life left.

I think it is the original bash plates, doesn't seem like it was taken much off-road.
But i think it was used for towing

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Look behind the dust seals, especially on the rear door. If there is red dust embedded there, the vehicle has been outback. If it is relatively clean, it is normal and if it is spotless, the dealer has been there and removed evidence.....
I couldn't find any, but what is the problem if the vehicle has been outback?

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Obviously, no guarantees, but I would say "go for it".
Thank you! I am very impressed and would really like to take a leap of faith.
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I would wait until I get the actual real mileage. If the mileage has indeed gone backwards...I wouldn't touch the car and walk away. Something shonky going on.
The actual mileage would be 54k, they just keep quoting DOD. Now i dont know if the report is right.

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Hi I always thought defence department service their own cars I would say the stamp in the book is dodgy. and they are service Iím looking at a ex defense one too and Iím not worried about the books
I saw the history, looks pretty genuine, it even has the next service sticker with service alert at 67000kms
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From memory, the original tyres as delivered was not A/T tyres, but if the spare is unused, and is also an A/T, then maybe DoD ordered the Pajero with A/T tyres. Regarding the brake pads, they may be original or could be replacements. The reason I raised this issue was that if they were worn thing, it would possibly be genuine mileage - it all depends on where and how the vehicle has been driven. 68000 km in the city would wear pads a lot faster than what I do.

If the vehicle has been used for towing, so what? I think that it is nearly impossible to cook the engine (not so with an automatic transmission). Obviously, you can kill anything, but if it has been a towing vehicle, the clutch would be the weakest link. Be prepared to have to replace the clutch some time. When????

Red dust behind the seals is a good indication that the vehicle may have been in the Kimberley or Pilbara - it could have been a mining vehicle. If it was, they would probably have a mining specification as new. Sorry, cannot remember the differences, but they would have included cargo barriers, probably a bullbar and probably not a towbar.

Original bashplates are probably a good sign - unless someone has removed heavier ones to fit onto a newer Pajero. If the previous owners didn't fit heavier bashplates, they probably didn't intend going into too much rough stuff. A mining vehicle probably would have had heavier bashplates as standard.

All up, it seems as if this is a reasonably straight vehicle. Crash history is the main unknown now. If all clear, I would say Go for it.
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Don't need to go to the Kimberley or Pilbara to get red dust. We got it at Cobar driving to see Aboriginal cave paintings and again driving the back way from Cobar to Condobolin. Red dust all the way. i think there maybe still some in with the jack.
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Default Remember this is a DOD vehjicle not private not mining

If you are happy with the vehicle go with it. As you an I know this is a DoD vehicle not mining etc etc. The only thing I could find on my 2014 Ex DOD GLX manual resembling a bash plate and it isnt one is the under engine plastic cover, none of the 3 other ex DoD vehicles had anything else either. If yours has a good interior and little to no rubbing of the door seals down to metal it is one of the better ones. As you know DoD doesnt service these and you do have one serviced by Mistubishi as we do for what thats worth but its got to be better than some unknown garage which I did find on some of the QLD ex DoD vehicles. Ours drives well yes the clutch will need doing at some point but no one can really predict when its good for now. The only downsides after 3 weeks with ours have been metal wear particles if rear diff T-case and gearbox and rear door is starting to squeak agin. Dont forget your valve adjustment make sure its been done otherwise that will set you back a bit.

All in all good value for money and you know it wasn't driven into the ground in fact its been driven ONLY by a trained driver so possibly better than a private car. I have spoken to folk in the army and they just can't get away with thrashing a vehicle if they are a driver they get in a bit of trouble. I reckon the mileage is a mistake in the book for the DoD to have adjusted the odometer is beyond their means or desires just no point. It probably either came from Albury or Puckapunyal, most of the DoD vehicles in Vic seem to have.
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I utilised all this valuable forum advice, and bought my manual NW Platinum MY12 for $16K in March with 125K. Had to have the RDL...but it is the Rockford that never gets rusty. I found that seller couldn't move the car, being manual; to my benefit. I love this car. Did the chain guide swap, and all fluids...
There will be other manuals out there for good value, if it doesn't feel right. Good luck-

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Smile Finally bought the vehicle!

Hi All,

Soaking up the new car excitement!

Firstly, I would like to thank you all for helping me with your valuable suggestions, i dont think i could have made up my mind otherwise.

Bought the car on the 24th and went on a nice drive to Marysville and Lady Talbot Track.

I am truly amazed by the vehicle.

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I utilised all this valuable forum advice, and bought my manual NW Platinum MY12 for $16K in March with 125K. Had to have the RDL...but it is the Rockford that never gets rusty. I found that seller couldn't move the car, being manual; to my benefit. I love this car. Did the chain guide swap, and all fluids...
There will be other manuals out there for good value, if it doesn't feel right. Good luck-
Congrats on your pick, i hope you are having fun too!
I think this was the manuall for me, and after 500 odd kilometers i must say it feels right.

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If you are happy with the vehicle go with it. As you an I know this is a DoD vehicle not mining etc etc. The only thing I could find on my 2014 Ex DOD GLX manual resembling a bash plate and it isnt one is the under engine plastic cover, none of the 3 other ex DoD vehicles had anything else either. If yours has a good interior and little to no rubbing of the door seals down to metal it is one of the better ones. As you know DoD doesnt service these and you do have one serviced by Mistubishi as we do for what thats worth but its got to be better than some unknown garage which I did find on some of the QLD ex DoD vehicles. Ours drives well yes the clutch will need doing at some point but no one can really predict when its good for now. The only downsides after 3 weeks with ours have been metal wear particles if rear diff T-case and gearbox and rear door is starting to squeak agin. Dont forget your valve adjustment make sure its been done otherwise that will set you back a bit.

All in all good value for money and you know it wasn't driven into the ground in fact its been driven ONLY by a trained driver so possibly better than a private car. I have spoken to folk in the army and they just can't get away with thrashing a vehicle if they are a driver they get in a bit of trouble. I reckon the mileage is a mistake in the book for the DoD to have adjusted the odometer is beyond their means or desires just no point. It probably either came from Albury or Puckapunyal, most of the DoD vehicles in Vic seem to have.
Cheers
Absolutely happy with the vehicle, appreciate your time and effort and thank you for the advise.

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From memory, the original tyres as delivered was not A/T tyres, but if the spare is unused, and is also an A/T, then maybe DoD ordered the Pajero with A/T tyres. Regarding the brake pads, they may be original or could be replacements. The reason I raised this issue was that if they were worn thing, it would possibly be genuine mileage - it all depends on where and how the vehicle has been driven. 68000 km in the city would wear pads a lot faster than what I do.

If the vehicle has been used for towing, so what? I think that it is nearly impossible to cook the engine (not so with an automatic transmission). Obviously, you can kill anything, but if it has been a towing vehicle, the clutch would be the weakest link. Be prepared to have to replace the clutch some time. When????

Red dust behind the seals is a good indication that the vehicle may have been in the Kimberley or Pilbara - it could have been a mining vehicle. If it was, they would probably have a mining specification as new. Sorry, cannot remember the differences, but they would have included cargo barriers, probably a bullbar and probably not a towbar.

Original bashplates are probably a good sign - unless someone has removed heavier ones to fit onto a newer Pajero. If the previous owners didn't fit heavier bashplates, they probably didn't intend going into too much rough stuff. A mining vehicle probably would have had heavier bashplates as standard.

All up, it seems as if this is a reasonably straight vehicle. Crash history is the main unknown now. If all clear, I would say Go for it.
This is some very smart and logical advise, however, i am still not able to check the break pads, not very skilled with automobiles, but will make it a point to check this and update ASAP

The vehicle may have been used for towing based on the wear and tear of the tow-bar, but it doesnt really matter.

Original Bash Plates, with some off road scars, doesnt scare me though.

Got the car history report form equifax and came out clean except for the "odo roll-back" warning.

Now i would require some expert opinion about some quirks i noticed.

1. Sometimes i noticed during acceleration the steering is pulled towards the left and while breaking the steering is pulled towards the right, what kind of corrective measures should i take?
2. There is water leaking as shown in the pcture, i was thinking this is the AC's doing.

As a preventive measure i thought i would get a Brakes, Steering And Suspension Check though pedders which costs about $28. Just to evealuate on what needs to be done.

Other doubts:
3. Should i go the Authorized Mitusbushi Mechanic for all future service?
4. I am planning to get it serviced in another month, what are the must do / check items? is the liquid change a good thing to undertake at 60,000KMs?
5. Any shifting advise for diesel powered manual?

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Hi All,

Soaking up the new car excitement!

Firstly, I would like to thank you all for helping me with your valuable suggestions, i dont think i could have made up my mind otherwise.

Bought the car on the 24th and went on a nice drive to Marysville and Lady Talbot Track.

I am truly amazed by the vehicle.
Congrats on the vehicle.
Looks like someone has painted the front grille to body color. Wonder why they would do that! It's the same with the fog lamp dummy covers as well.

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Now i would require some expert opinion about some quirks i noticed.

1. Sometimes i noticed during acceleration the steering is pulled towards the left and while breaking the steering is pulled towards the right, what kind of corrective measures should i take?
2. There is water leaking as shown in the pcture, i was thinking this is the AC's doing.

1.) Do get an alignment check on the vehicle, if not done already.

2.) The aircon units dripping vehucle after being used is a standard 'feature', present in all if not most cars.
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1. Never, never, never go to Pedders

2. Absolutely no need to have it serviced by MM unless you have deep pockets. Some one here will be able to help you with a reliable Mitsubishi mechanic near you.
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1. Never, never, never go to Pedders

2. Absolutely no need to have it serviced by MM unless you have deep pockets. Some one here will be able to help you with a reliable Mitsubishi mechanic near you.
I broadly agree with these sentiments, but I would go to Pedders for the $28 safety check, knowing full well that it will contain a laundry list of items that aren't required. When they present their "shock & awe" conclusions, don't be shocked - simply say "thank you very much, I'll get back to you", and leave.

I would then take Pedders' list to a recommended non-MM mechanic, and ask them to review and advise what really needs to be done. Pedders' list is likely to contain items that your average mechanic wouldn't check, or might miss, so using it as the basis for a "focussed review" might work out well.
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