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Bolted on bits, factory and aftermarket accessories Discussion of after-market extras: winches, bull bars, tow bars (and Towing), roof racks, snorkels, and other cool stuff

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Old 27-05-19
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I have just looked at the Mitsubishi Manufacturers Body Repair Manual and it indicated that the front recovery loops and the chassis are made from high tensile steel.
http://mmc-manuals.ru/manuals/pajero...191AB00ENG.pdf

Armed with this information then a good mechanical engineer should be able to give you a written report after inspecting the points to say they have a load rating of at least 5,000kg WLL.
Sorry I need to configure my signature finally, but yeah, we're talking about Gen 4 here, not Sport. Although I'm pretty sure it's made of the same steel, so still helpful.
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First of all, I've seen all these threads and videos about the factory points.
The problem is that my local 4WD club rules state that cars must have rated points. That's mainly to make people performing recoveries feel safe, which I can understand.

Any options at all to comply with the rules?

ALL recovery points have a RATED MAX "PULL", now if you have 2 points and share the load that reduces the force on the recovery point which is why it is better to have 2 on the front for pulling your vehicle out.



Now, I would ask the club what they consider a "RATED" recovery point to be, because the factory tow point is a "RATED" recovery point, its just rated @ "NFI but is lower then after market points", but by definition is RATED, and rated low so its better not to use them with a snatch recovery.
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There was no link, but I guess it's something like I have: "Your vehicle must have rated recovery points (front and rear) that are securely mounted to the chassis with high tensile bolts - 2x 12mm bolts, grade 8.8 or imperial equivalent. "
Sorry, my bad. It is a bit more detailed than that
http://www.ccvc.org.nz/page-1725862
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Sorry, my bad. It is a bit more detailed than that
http://www.ccvc.org.nz/page-1725862
Wow, 4 documents on recovery points!
Your club seems to be bigger, there must be other Pajero owners there who somehow solved the problem?
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I haven't seen any yet, but I've only been on three intro trips. The engineer I talked to about it had done at least one other gen 4 pajero, I assume for that club
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....because the factory tow point is a "RATED" recovery point, its just rated @ "NFI but is lower then after market points", but by definition is RATED, and rated low so its better not to use them with a snatch recovery.
If you have no idea what the factory point is rated at, how on earth do you know it's rated lower than an after market point, or that it's better not to use it in a recovery?
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Sorry, my bad. It is a bit more detailed than that
http://www.ccvc.org.nz/page-1725862
Hmmm.
"Note that factory mounted hooks will be inspected to ensure they meet the following Standards."
"Hooks are to be bolted not welded and must comply with Specification CCVCSAFETY-0003 Recovery Hook Requirements."

They are seriously telling people that factory designed points which have been welded to the chassis in a controlled manufacturing environment are unsuitable, but aftermarket hooks bolted to a random location are okay? I assume they realise the chassis components are welded together not bolted.
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It seems there is little, if any, rational thinking underpinning the club's policy. I think their underlying objective is worthy, viz, safety in recoveries, but in trying to exclude simple tow and transport hooks/loops the much more substantial Paj front loops become collateral damage. Not withstanding the well-known (at least to us) Peake video, it is a pity that in the almost 20 year life of the monocoque-based Pajero, MM hasn't deemed it worthwhile to sacrifice a vehicle or two to formally test the front hooks, rate them in their specs, and paint them a pretty Mitsubishi red.
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Paj front loops become collateral damage.
Well, not quite. They specifically mention factory _recovery_ points.
16. Some vehicles are factory fitted with recovery points or other fitments that are claimed to be suitable for snatching or winching. (These are not “tie down” type loops or hooks which are only intended for towing or securing on trailers etc.).
17. There is no available data from vehicle manufacturers which provide a WLL or safety factor for such fittings and these are therefore not accepted by CCVC.
However I think they rely way too much (blindly) on what's stamped or not stamped on the points. While statistics would be a better choice in this case, i.e. are there many/any Pajeros with broken factory points? On the other hand, as I mentioned before, Pajero isn't popular here any by coincidence it's a rare case of an off road-worthy vehicle without aftermarket recovery points available.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPXixsvjDjY&t=17s

There is another video put out somewhere but I can't locate it.

For added protection add a tree trunk protector or similar to spread the load.

Better still avoid clubs

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