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Old 04-11-18
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90,000km Service Cost

At the 75,000km service in early 2017 my trusted Mitsy dealer quoted me $1850 for the 90,000km service. 12 months on and the dealer's staff started pestering me by phone and SMS about getting it done as it was due on time. However, as the warranty had expired I would now be getting the services done on distance not time and in any case, I change most fluids more frequently than required by the book. During one of these phone calls they quoted $2300 for the 90,000km service. I told them that this increase was too much and I'd be going elsewhere. That's over 12 times the current CPI.

So I went to my long-time beloved Magna indie (Magnas R Us) and it cost $1544 for the following: everything in the book plus the two accessory belts and a full 'flush' of the ATF but not the brake fluid change, as I'd do that myself. That's about $750 less, not including the extra belts and the full flush (not just a drain and refill) which would have made the Mitsy service even dearer. I did the brake fluid flush yesterday - cost $22. Here are comparison photos of the brake fluid condition before and after. The cloudy one is the old fluid.

Nevertheless I must have an angel on my shoulder. I was right at the end of cleaning-up after the job and accidently flicked the container in which I had the disassembled and cleaned brake fluid drain kit. I couldn't believe my eyes as the small ball bearing from the valve flew right across the garage and hit a small bit of tin on the opposite wall. If I'd tried to do it, it'd never happen! I then spent half and hour looking for the ball bearing and eventually gave up. Later in the afternoon as I was walking back to the garage with the sun now low on the horizon and shining under the other car in the garage, I could see a small spec of reflected sunlight from the drip tray - ball bearing found. I'd already checked the floor (including with a torch) but never checked the drip tray. The bearing had flown like one of those trick shots in snooker. It flew across a double garage, bounced off a narrow strip of tin, then onto the floor, then bounced under the other car and over the lip of the drip tray to come to rest in the middle of the tray, just where the sun would shine 2 hours later. I still had to be in the right place at the right time to see it. 30mins later the sun went behind a tree and I wouldn't have found it for weeks. Just one of those serendipitous moments in life I suppose.

By the way, the accessory belts are 'on-condition' replacement parts. At the 90,000km service I had them replaced because I'd previous experince with similar belts in the past. 11 years ago my TH wagon threw an alternmator belt at 120,000km. The timing (camshaft) belt had been replaced as required at the 100,000km service but the 'on-condition' alternator belt had looked fine and the mechanic had left it on. I didn't know it hadn't been replaced at that service because I'd just asked him to replace the belts. When it eventually let go, I was in the country and after the second RACV rescue guy turned-up, 4 hours later, he trailered my car to his workshop 30km away. We tried 2 Mitsy dealers in two nearby towns but none had a replacement belt. In the end a friend drove to the town where I was now stranded and we drove to yet another town and picked one up from Repco - 3 hours waisted out of his day. The RACV guy then scratched my car with his open zipper on his overalls while fitting the belt, which took 5 mins. Total stuffing around time was over 8 hours. So learn from someone else's bad experience.

Here's a photo of the PB's original alternator belt with a small crack. The serpentine accessory belt in the background is in perfect condition and I now carry them as spares in my bush kit. Both were replaced at 91,000km. The alternator belt has numerous minor cracks around the inner circumference and the largest one is pointed out in the photo. This wear could not be seen in situ, just like on the TH alternator belt a decade ago. As I've been in several remote areas with this cracked belt since the 75,000km service, I would not be happy continuing beyond 90,000km with it in that condition. In the future I'll continue having all the belts changed at 90,000km intervals. If you haven't had them replaced by the time you get to that service, just get them changed because the extra cost is nothing compared to getting stranded on the side of the road or worse, in the middle of nowhere. Even then, if you don't carry your own, you might be waiting days for one to get shipped-in and freighted-out.

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My local dealer in Lismore quoted me $2500 plus for 90k service including changing timing belt (belt only, no pulleys or water pump) and two accessory belts.

Got a few quotes elsewhere from recommended independent workshops nearby. Repco was on par with dealer, another place in Lismore came to $1850 but I settled on a place in Ballina that did the whole lot for $1350!

I went with them because they are a repair/ panel/ paint shop as well as a service garage and detailer etc. They get lots of business as a preferred AAMI repairer as well as various fleet maintenance contracts. Means they don't have to rip off everyday owners. Also got to speak to the mechanic himself and he seemed to know his sh*t and could give me straightforward answers to various questions I had.

Opposite is true for dealers... Dealer service centres are under pressure to charge more as margins on new car sales become smaller and smaller with more competition in the market. You also only ever speak to service managers who don't actually work on your car (but still need to have their salary covered) not to mention higher rental costs for dealership locations, extra costs for fancy waiting areas and shuttle buses etc. Someone has to pay for all that...

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I've been following the posts on servicing and timing belts to get info etc ,now the servicing costs are nill for me (ret. plant mech.)but the belt jobs amuse me ,just purchased the to belts from evil bay dayco 94522 and dayco 941043 total cost delivered $46.05 and i'll do it myself and check idlers etc when dismantled so anyone can cut costs on parts if they want to, then find a reasonable mechanic to do it ,the variation in labour seems incredible. Mick
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I've been following the posts on servicing and timing belts to get info etc ,now the servicing costs are nill for me (ret. plant mech.)but the belt jobs amuse me ,just purchased the to belts from evil bay dayco 94522 and dayco 941043 total cost delivered $46.05 and i'll do it myself and check idlers etc when dismantled so anyone can cut costs on parts if they want to, then find a reasonable mechanic to do it ,the variation in labour seems incredible. Mick
well done ...

Wouldn’t it be wise to get the kit .. includes Tensioners, idler & seals ? or do you think they are good for 200k km (change water pump at that time also)

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/DAYCO-Ca...cAAOSwqhBZpnGM

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i'll change them if they need it after dismantle and inspection. also on ebay a full kit is only $289 ,if you want to save $$, on the forums most people say the old parts are in good condition and I've found that through my working life , you have to take into account i'm doing the work myself so whats another 3hours later on to change an idler if it gets noisy. Mick.
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i'll change them if they need it after dismantle and inspection. also on ebay a full kit is only $289 ,if you want to save $$, on the forums most people say the old parts are in good condition and I've found that through my working life , you have to take into account i'm doing the work myself so whats another 3hours later on to change an idler if it gets noisy. Mick.
Sounds like you are in the know

Can you post the link to the Dayco belts I can’t locate them at that price ... thanks

I found these guys prices very competitive

https://www.westernfilters.net.au/2-5l-4d56-pb-pc/


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I've been following the posts on servicing and timing belts to get info etc ,now the servicing costs are nill for me (ret. plant mech.)but the belt jobs amuse me ,just purchased the to belts from evil bay dayco 94522 and dayco 941043 total cost delivered $46.05 and i'll do it myself and check idlers etc when dismantled so anyone can cut costs on parts if they want to, then find a reasonable mechanic to do it ,the variation in labour seems incredible. Mick
Geez you stole them. Idlers etc should be fine, and 99% sure will not be done by most services centres at the 100k service. Im about to do my 200k or 212k and will grab the full kit plus waterpump this time round.
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Geez you stole them. Idlers etc should be fine, and 99% sure will not be done by most services centres at the 100k service. Im about to do my 200k or 212k and will grab the full kit plus waterpump this time round.
Let us all know price of parts and fitment .. cheers ... A/C pwr steering & alternator belt may need replacement ..

NB a tappet adjustment and seals will also be on the cards ...

I recommend a SQL Also ..

Have you had a transmission flush and filter change ?

Let us know after a few tanks of your fuel consumption...

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further to the above posts I've just ordered A1512 air filter, for when I do this job (on 97k ) $20 free delivery ebay they have gone up, last one was $16 the parts are out there cheap. Mick.
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Can you post the link to the Dayco belts I can’t locate them at that price ... thanks


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