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  • Gringos
    Junior Member
    • Jul 2016
    • 32
    • Millicent-South Australia

    NJ V6-TR Magna V6 engine swap.

    Hi there viewers. Longtime looker and Newby Pajero owner since 9-2016.

    We purchased our 94 NJ LWB V6 manual in 2016. She is a stock standard povo pack model complete with wind-up windows. The only electrical extra's is central locking which is rather dicky with continual locking-unlocking at times, particularly after a rain. We named her Emma as we name all of our vehicles. We are the fourth owners and have a raft of receipts to prove history.

    "Emma" had about 257k on the clock at that time, but she was a good buy at $2300. We did the usual things after purchase, New Tyres and brakes, New timing belt, Oil & Filters just to be sure even though the elderly previous owner assured us that everything was up to date.

    "Emma" had seen a fair amount of caravanning in her time with at least one around Australia jaunt. Underneath she still has pockets of caked on hard packed red-mud.

    We now live (since 2013) on the South East of SA (Limestone coast) these days on the out skirts of Millicent. Mostly we use Emma for our daily driver, very occasionally on the beach for a bit of fishing or exploring, wood collecting in winter and a few trips into Victoria to Colac mostly buying Timber supplies for our house that we are Owner Building. About 4 or 5 trips to Adelaide each year, and she has been a pleasure to drive, just love the comfort of torsion bars and coil spring suspension !.

    About 12 months ago at around 290k I noticed that "Emma" seemed to be lacking a bit of power and it sounded like a cylinder was going. Other issues included the dreaded fast idle problem. At one point idle was 2500 rpm !. That was until I modified the TB by blocking the IAC ports altogether. That has lowered the idle to around 1200-1500 rpm. Was still sucking air from somewhere, which I suspect as the PCV valve..... Another issue was an increasingly noisy thrust bearing or spigot bearing or god forbid an input shaft bearing ?.

    Over the next 6 months the motor progressed to a dead miss. Did not suspect a cracked head as now water was being used. The motor was not pumping into the inlet manifold nor was it using excessive oil. Maybe 100ml of oil every 5000 k's. So I suspect a Burned exhaust valve, still don't know for sure. No, I didn't do a compression test to determine what cylinder was going.

    I scoured this very forum and others for options, rebuild, recondition or engine swap or replace Emma altogether ?. The last option was a worse case scenario.

    The Magna V6 replacement option seemed to be a good option, BUT as these vehicles with a suitable donor motor are also getting a bit long in the tooth due to age. Lets face it, a TR or TS (Last of the 3L 12 valve models) are pushing 28 years old !. At a grandma going to the shops of 10,000 k's per year you are looking at 250-280,000 k's !.

    So it was looking like a rebuild at least using parts from several motors perhaps to make a good one, OR bite the bullet and recon this motor. Costs to recon with me reassembling, about $2200, assuming at least one head being replaced.

    By October 2019 "Emma" now had 312,000 on the clock and was sick. Something had to give fairly quickly. I had been searching Gumtree, Facebook Marketplace, Just Parts mag and other sources plus word of mouth. All I was finding were shagged Pajero donks or High Dollar recon units OR 24valve Magna Motors which are a no-go in the NJ.

    Then bugger-me, there was a motor on Gumtree (November 2019), a TR Magna V6 out of a wagon that had been hit up the bum and had done only 127,000 !. Seems like it was a government car that did 10k's per day and the back seats had never been sat in !.

    But wait, it's from a wrecker ?. Having dealt with "Wreckers" before and bought a few duds on the premise that "Oh yeah mate, that's a good donk, low mileage, doesn't blow smoke, good compression.....no worries !". Could this one be too good to be true ?. I call him up and bugger-me he's the son of a fellow that I've known for years (I'm 61 ish). It all seems good. We do the deal over the phone and I head to Adelaide (Lonsdale) in December to pick it up.

    Upon arrival I check it out as best I can. Can't do a compression test, but turn it over and at least it does have compression. Check the plugs, look good, no water or oil, no water in the oil and the coolant in the block has good color. Trans fluid (Auto) doesn't smell burnt, so it seems good. I part with $660 bucks and Emma's new heart is in my hands. We are locked in with a TR Magna engine swap.

    **Note** At this point Emma's mileage was still around the 7.5K's per litre. The best she has ever returned was 8.9K's on a trip to Adelaide with a 40 knot gale blowing up her arse, but usually around the 7.2-7.8 K's per litre range over the last three years or so. Despite being sick, the mileage was still respectable.

    Got the motor home and unloaded it. (Note all pics are thumbnails)









    The above three photo's show the motor as purchased in December 2019. Clearly you can see what users on here (Pajero Forum) and other places, the visual differences between a Magna V6 and the Pajero.



    Starter motor is different with the solenoid on the side, not the top as on a Pajero.



    Air-Conditioner Compressor is mounted on the right side, not the left as on a Pajero. Also the Magna Oil Filter points down, not out to the side as on a Pajero.



    Alternator is down the bottom on the left side, not up the Top and on the right side as on a Pajero.



    Once the above mentioned bits were removed whilst sitting on the pallet, the Magna Motor was then set-up on the engine stand. In the above photo it can be seen that the EFI manifold is completely different. Also the radiator plumbing is totally different.







    Above two photo's of the front of Magna Motor, note timing cover and timing marks, also different to the Pajero being opposite sides. All will be replaced in due course.




    The motor was rotated around to TDC on number one and it will be noted that the Distributor rotor points to the approx position of number one, NOT to the rear as on a Pajero when on TDC #1. No the Magna Distributor cap will not fit on the Pajero Motor, it fouls on Inlet Manifold.



    A closer view of the "Rear" of the Magna Motor, showing the plumbing etc.. You wouldn't want a water leak in here, what a nightmare !.



    With all of the Magna EFI stripped off, it is beginning to look like a "Pajero" motor.


    Everything under the covers is the same....well almost. Read on.









    Emma came off the road for her transplant on December 29th. The above three (3) photo's is how it looked under the bonnet prior to dismantling. As I was not in a hurry to do this swap, I removed parts off the Pajero motor in-situ, cleaned/repaired the bits and installed them on the Magna Motor.



    Radiator and associated parts all removed, cleaned, checked and stored.



    Air-Conditioner Compressor removed from the mounting cradle and placed on a piece of plywood. No disconnection of plumbing required.



    Ditto the power-steering pump. It was removed from it's bracket and placed on the inner guard, no disconnection necessary.



    One area of concern was the Oil Pump issue. Reading on this forum what others doing this swap have done, you have two choices.

    Option (1) Use the Pajero oil pump, either a new one or the original high mileage version that is giving me around 15psi at idle and 30 at cruise speed. .

    Option (2) Modify the Magna pump. This requires cutting the alternator mounting off and exposing an oil gallery that then needs to be tapped and plugged.
    My thought's at this time were, "Hey I'm a Fitter & Turner, how hard can it be ?". If I F@&%-it then I can still use the Pajero Oil Pump ?".





    In the two (2) photo's above you can seem my Texta Cut line and the Oil Gallery which on a Magna Motor has an Oil pressure switch screwed into the hole. The piece of aluminium MUST be removed if you want to re-install the Air-Conditioner Compressor. Otherwise there would be no reason to cut it off, plenty of clearance down there, just plug the Oil Gallery.



    A combination of Angle Grinder and thin blade, hacksaw and files were used to remove and shape the bracket. Then the Gallery was tapped M8. Suction gun removed any swarf. A 25mm long Stainless Steel Bolt and sealant plugs the hole. Very straight forward job.


    Photo above shows the modified pump area and the Pajero Air Conditioner Compressor bracket attached for a test fit. On the Magna Block are two locating pins (not shown-sorry about that) protruding out the side of the block right at the rear of the compressor bracket. This was ground off to allow proper fitment. All mounting holes are there on the Magna Block.

    Will sign off now. Will post more tomorrow night.
    Last edited by Gringos; 16-01-20, 08:20 PM.
  • disco stu
    Valued Member
    • Dec 2018
    • 3104
    • Wollongong

    #2
    Interesting reading so far. Wish I could have used the Magna oil pump for the 3.5l swap on my NL.I'm a little iffy about that part still

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    • Gringos
      Junior Member
      • Jul 2016
      • 32
      • Millicent-South Australia

      #3
      NJ V6-TR Magna V6 engine swap-pt.2

      NJ V6-TR Magna V6 engine swap Part 2.

      Next parts to be removed off the Pajero motor cleaned etc. was the Top Section of the Plenum chamber, Throttle Body etc.etc.. Then the bottom section of the Intake manifold complete with Fuel Injectors and lines as a unit. Nothing was disassembled except for the fuel lines at the rear. Straight Forward removal as per "Gregory's" Service manual. This was all cleaned up ready to re-install on the Magna Motor.


      The Pajero Motor was rotated onto TDC #1 before removal of Timing Belt and Gears. Note the position of the Rotor Button on the Dizzy, pointing to the rear. Compare that photo to the other posted in Part one. Once the Belt and Gears were removed the two Timing Cover backing plates were removed, cleaned and re-installed on the Magna Motor. For a short time I did think that the passenger side backing plate on the Magna Motor would be the same as the Pajero, but NO, it is different.



      Photo above shows the upper and lower sections of the Intake manifold removed exposing the valley underneath. This valley is in fact open for air flow front to rear. Note the plumbing running to the rear of the motor. Other parts removed about this time were the water pump backing housing, and the Distributor. One final question was the Oil Filter and Cooler lines. It was decided to unbolt the whole lot at the Filter boss, not disconnect the lines as per "Gregory's" Service manual. This was done and the piece covered in glad wrap to prevent ingress of dirt into the cooler lines during engine removal etc..



      Parts have now been retro-fitted to the Magna Motor. No issues, all going back together, except for one.
      The original Pajero Water pump housing was re-installed, however the new GMB water pump purchased over the counter that is supposed to fit ALL 6G72 motors does not come with a small O-Ring to fit the water pipe running up the engine valley to the heater connections. Fortunately the original Pajero O-Ring looked quite serviceable, so re-installed it with a good amount of Stag flexible sealer.




      Two photo's above show the Magna Dizzy (Top photo) at TDC #1 compared with the Pajero Distributor installed on the Magna Motor at TDC #1. Bottom pulley was re-installed at this time and torqued up AOK. Magna rocker covers still in place at this time.

      The Pajero motor was then pulled out and final disassembly of parts took place soon after. Exhaust manifolds, sump and oil pickup were all removed as well as clutch and flywheel and the rocker covers.

      The sump was in good condition with no dents or other nasties. However the sludge in the bottom was unbelievable. It was no wonder Oil Pressure was so low at idle with sludge covering the top of the Oil Pick up with a few "suck" holes for the oil to get through.
      Metal particles were also found in the sludge as well as a lot of silicone. The pickup screen was a similar story. It was soaked in degreaser for 24 hours then blown out and soaked again.

      The Magna sump was removed and Oil Pickup removed. The Pajero Oil Pickup was re-installed with a new gasket and to my surprise the Magna motor has two tapped holes for the Pajero support bracket.

      Next issue was the sump re-install. On this forum and other places it is mentioned that the Pajero sump has extra mounting holes. So there are two options:

      Option 1: Refit Pajero sump without fitting two bolts ?.
      Option 2: Drill and tap two holes in the Magna motor to suit the Pajero sump ?.
      Option 3: In this Engine swap the Magna Motor had all the required holes and it was a straight swap over, no issues. So I can't help with an answer on Option 1 or 2. Sorry

      But what I did do is make some gaskets to suit the sump. I just don't like the idea of relying on a silcone seal. Don't get me wrong. I like the RV sealant, but not on it's own. Call me Old School, that's fine. The old motor obviously has had issues in the past with oil passing through the gaskets as I'm sure there was more oil under there than the Exxon Valdez. Good old Cornflakes packets came to the rescue for the gaskets and some RV Sealant (sparingly) to hold things in place while buttoning things up. A sufficient amount of ooze was noted to indicate a seal had taken place.

      Next the exhaust manifolds were refitted onto the Magna motor. Oh, before I forget. Two Studs on number 5 cylinder were snapped off on the Magna Motor. This was a straight forward drill out (carefully) and re-tap M8. SHCS were used as replacement fitments instead of studs.



      With all that completed it was getting close to removing the Magna/Pajero motor ready for final install of Rocker Covers, Flywheel and Clutch. All of this was straight forward, so no need to bore you with details. One detail though, I wasn't that happy with the M8 bolts securing the pressure plate to the flywheel. They only just tightened at the recommended 12-15 ft-lbs. Bellhousing was cleaned out and a New Thrust Bearing installed.

      **Note** Prior to installing clutch, the clutch disc was tested for fit on the gearbox input shaft spline, all good. Ditto for the spigot bearing, all good.




      Photo above shows the Magna/Pajero motor ready for re-installation on the 10th January.



      To gain some extra room for the crane to reach right back into the engine bay it was necessary to remove the centre bumper section and nudge bar.

      Emma put up a fight !. There was no way it was going to go back together, something was not lining up and my best guess was the clutch plate was not quite central despite using an alignment tool. So after 3 hours of grunting and groaning, the donk was yanked out

      The clutch alignment was checked and I could see by eye that there was a small amount of misalignment despite using the "supplied" new clutch alignment tool. Everything was re-aligned, by eye this time and re-torqued. Except 3 out of 6 bolts were now stretching at 10lbs torque.............AAAAAAGGGGGG.

      By this time it was around 5pm on Friday evening and I had had enough.

      Saturday afternoon having purchased some M8 x 16 SHCS that morning, the clutch was torqued up to the recommended 15 ft.lbs. The motor was then re-inserted back into the engine compartment along with a jack under the rear of the gearbox for some tilt alignment and after about 10 minutes of mucking about, it slipped together just like a click of the fingers......bloody beauty ripper mate !.

      Everything underneath was refitted and sealed up. Sunday I started up the top. re-assembling everything. Oil Filter and Remote Cooler all went back together AOK. Air-Conditioner Compressor, back in place just like a bought one. Top Plenum Chamber on, no worries. Heater lines, Throttle Body water lines all good.







      By late Sunday afternoon it was getting close to Start time. Last thing to install was the radiator, hoses and shroud.

      Monday morning, back at it. Installed the radiator etc. and started filling. Bloody hell there's a leak in the core, coolant pissing out. Drain the radiator and remove it. Go inside and tell the Mrs about it with this reply. "Oh yeah, forgot to tell you that the gemmy bar fell on the radiator on Saturday, couldn't see any damage so didn't say anything !".

      So off into town to the local 4x4 and Radiator guy who has just gone back to work after Xmas. He's real pleased to see me (seriously), being a bit cash strapped after the holidays so I get the radiator back next day all fixed for $100.00 cash money.

      Radiator etc. re-installed, install the battery. Crunch time....will it start ?.

      Turn on the ignition, fuel pump whirs for a second, hit the starter, away it goes, fires right up and sits on 1000rpm !......bloody ripper. Oil pressure 60psi, even better !. Get out and check for leaks. Motor is rattly, bad rocker noise from the left bank. Switch off and Start again. Same noise but the dry bearing noise is back !..............AAAARRRGGGG

      Put foot on clutch, noise goes away...........bloody input shaft bearing, Christ almighty !.

      Start and Stop the motor a few times, check things and the rattly rocker noise disappears, sadly the input shaft bearing noise hasn't done the same.

      Since Tuesday we have done a few trips into town and around the area, about 50k's so far and all is good, runs sweet and I haven't given Emma a thorough tune yet.

      So there we have it. TR Magna Motor swap into NJ Pajero install all good.

      I hope this may help others with a similar swap. Thanks for reading.

      My next issue will be a Gearbox re-do......maybe ?. Stay tuned......

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      • Gringos
        Junior Member
        • Jul 2016
        • 32
        • Millicent-South Australia

        #4
        NJ V6-TR Magna V6 engine swap Part 2

        Up date:

        Have now covered approx. 250K's with the Magna Motor. Observations so far:-

        Oil pressure has settled to about 55-60 psi hot (above idle) and 30psi Cold idle pressures.

        Idle RPM (Hot) has increased slightly from 1250-1300 to 1500. Appears to be a PVC issue but don't know for sure yet. IAC has been disconnected (blocked off) relying on the TB Idle screw for adjustment. When the PVC line is disconnected the Idle drops to a rough 750rpm.

        Other people who have made this engine swap have reported (on this forum and others) that the Magna Motors have a Higher RPM Power Band. I have not found this to be so.

        In fact I would say that apples for apples the TR Magna Motor exhibits more torque at lower revs than the Pajero motor ever did, being in mind that we first purchased the vehicle with 257k on the clock. This may well be due to the relative mileage differences between the two and perhaps the motor was ailing even then.

        Will be making a trip up to Adelaide in about a month, so I will be able to report on fuel consumption over the 1000 plus K round trip.

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        • Green turtle
          Member
          • May 2008
          • 220
          • GOLD COAST QLD

          #5
          i think magna motor runs 10:1 compression ratio which will give a little more power. What grade fuel are you running? may run a little better with 95 octane. Dont know if the magna camshafts are the same as pajeros or are different.
          Has been a good read. Well done
          1991 NH GLS LWB 3.0 V6

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          • disco stu
            Valued Member
            • Dec 2018
            • 3104
            • Wollongong

            #6
            Good read and nice to hear some updates about it

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            • Gringos
              Junior Member
              • Jul 2016
              • 32
              • Millicent-South Australia

              #7
              i think magna motor runs 10:1 compression ratio which will give a little more power. What grade fuel are you running? may run a little better with 95 octane. Dont know if the magna camshafts are the same as pajeros or are different.
              Has been a good read. Well done
              Thanks Green turtle.

              Yes the Mitsi specs for a TR Magna motor states 10:1 compression. That would account (potentially) for a power increase. Not using Magna Injectors, stock Pajero from the old motor and apparently the stock ones flow much less, so that could knock back power potential. ECU programming another unknown and way out of my field. In fact this Pajero is my first EFI vehicle ! Kinda shows my age I guess ?

              At the moment using 91 unleaded. In the old donk it loved E10, so will try that out with this motor. E10 not available locally will have to wait until I get to Adelaide.

              I reckon the camshaft profiles would be different, as other people have reported a higher rpm torque band, but all good so far, very happy.

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              • Gringos
                Junior Member
                • Jul 2016
                • 32
                • Millicent-South Australia

                #8
                Thanks disco stu.

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                • Gringos
                  Junior Member
                  • Jul 2016
                  • 32
                  • Millicent-South Australia

                  #9
                  Update 08/2020

                  Hi All.


                  A quick update before I post a new question in the Gen 2 section.


                  I'm pleased to report that the replacement Magna Motor is running just fine. Have now put around 8K on the motor including one trip to Adelaide (900k's round trip) a few months ago. Mileage is about the same as the old donk.....@ 7.2 to 8 KpL. Does not like E10 like the old motor but is quite happy with 91 octane. Have not tried 95 octane to see if there is any performance/mileage increase.


                  New Motor is certainly more torquey. 99% of oil leaks are gone, thanks to my Corn Flake packet sump gaskets......can't believe that Mitsi don't use proper gaskets.



                  The new motor does have a noisier valve train than the old motor, particularly when cold. Apart from that, nothing unusual to report.



                  The next issue to sort is a VERY noisy gearbox !



                  Thanks all for your interest.

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                  • disco stu
                    Valued Member
                    • Dec 2018
                    • 3104
                    • Wollongong

                    #10
                    Cheers for update. Corn flakes hey!

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