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Originally posted by Pickle View PostYeah, hanging out for them
Of course, given that this isn't the first step they've taken to crack down on speed, and despite all their earlier efforts to crack down on speeding the road toll has gone up this year, maybe somebody should question if speed is really as significant a contributor to the road toll as we are expected to believe.
Maybe there are other contributors that are overwhelming the speed factor? Congestion, drunk driving, drugged driving, driver arrogance and aggression, poor driving standards, poor enforcement (or non-enforcement) of too many other road rules?
Too hard.
Let's be seen to be doing something. We'll spend more money on more sophisticated technology to enable more aggressive enforcement of a reduced tolerance to speed limits. It hasn't been working for a while, but that's only because we haven't been aggressive enough.
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I'm over the pros and cons of these things but you have to wonder when they drop the tolerance from 3 kph to 2 kph to meet expected revenue they predicted for the year if they are about road safety. 99% of Melburnians know where the fixed cameras are and slow down around them then go nuts after that. The road toll is high this year here and totally unacceptable but how many are related to being above the speed limitNX Pampas Cat GLS MY16
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I absolutley agree speed does kill, granted.
But cameras are a exceptional revenue raising tool.
QLD is broke & geez we have been getting so road safe alright, camera's going in everywhere!
It is all about "road safety"
An increase in hours police can use speed cameras and extra devices mean Queenslanders are expected to be slapped with more fines.
1 billion in 3 years this one says in Victoria
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Speed is undeniably a factor in causing accidents, and it's THE main factor in severity of damage and injury. That's just basic physics. If you don't want to get speeding fines, maybe consider the option of slowing down a bit?Merts
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This is why we stay away from Victoria as much as possible when travelling around. One day the powers to be will figured out that when you drive it is much better to watch the road than be constantly watching your speedo. Maybe then the road toll will come down.
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Originally posted by Merts View PostSpeed is undeniably a factor in causing accidents, and it's THE main factor in severity of damage and injury. That's just basic physics. If you don't want to get speeding fines, maybe consider the option of slowing down a bit?
Merley pointing out the correlation between "road safety" speed cameras & the states coffers
Fantastic that vehicles have improved in the area of safety over the years & helped bring down the road tolls, although unfortunate that younger drivers generally drive the oldest vehicles.
& the real bad bugger speeding drivers don't have to even stop or slow down for the fine!! Just come in the mail, as long as their Rego plates are legit of course
Having almost zero tolerance at cameras must make them super safe now then?
This is great news, can't wait too see the statistics as this is good news for everyone, no room for error, 2 k's over could kill!
This is what we think of them up here in QLD
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Amazes me how many people can't actually watch the road and their speed at the same time, and seem to think that to drive safely you have to watch the road only and inadvertently, volunteerily contribute to state revenue.
Are these the same people who brag about how quiet their new car is ".......and I looked down at the speedo and found I was traveling along at 130km/h"?
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I agree, to a point. With something like 10%leeway, yes i can easily pick if i go over what I was doing before, but at 2km/hr I can easily drift over that without knowing if I'm not watching the speedo carefully-dip in the road etc.
Take roads in NZ where I am right now (same in Tassie). On rural roads there is a generous speed limit and you do what you're comfortable with under that. On most roads I've found I wouldn't want to go over that limit to be driving comfortably. Some 100km/hr roads here on south island would be 60 back home. I'm intrigued about the crash stats compared to nsw. But they also let people hunt in national parks.......
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Do speed vs drag curves exist for the Pajero body.
Have a look at this site, https://www.automobile-catalog.com/m...3_5d/2017.html
Reason for this comment: The faster you go the greater the cost ( potential or actual).
My arbitrary preferred max. speed is 90 km/Hr. Makes a lot of B doubles unhappy.
Ok so I'm bored or something but to follow up on above re drag.
Lets say the drag coefficient for the Pajero is 0.42 and the drag area is 2.89 sqm.
DragxArea is 0.42x2.89 = 1.2138
Force to over come drag,Drag Force, is 0.5xAir DensityxDragAreaxSpeedxSpeed
assume Air Density=1
then Drag Force for
50Km/Hr: =0.5x1x1.2138x50x50 = 1517.25 (ignore the Units as this is a comparative evaluation)
90Km/Hr: =0.5x1x1.2138x90x90 = 4915.89
100Km/Hr: =0.5x1x1.2138x100x100 = 6069
110Km/Hr: =0.5x1x1.2138x110x110 = 7343.49
What does this mean? Well if you drive an ex factory Pajero with no add ons like roof racks bull bars etc the energy to overcome drag force is proportional to your speed as follows:
110 vs 50 is 7343.49/1517.25 = 4.84 more energy(fuel) required.
110 vs 100 is 7343.49/6069 = 1.21 more energy
110 vs 90 is 7343.49/4915.89 = 1.49 more energy
So while stressing you wallet with a fine for exceeding the speed limit your adding a further impost from fuel consumption all because of a few minutes/hours in your lifetime.
Besides most drivers can't control of any vehicle suffering a failure such as a tyre blow out or other emergency at speed.Attached FilesPajero NX GLX MY17, OEM Rubber mats, OEM Towbar and tongue, After market Rev. Sensors, MSA4x4 seat covers, OEM nudge bar.
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Regardless of their motivation, the facts are they are there.
I have 4 cars and 1 motorbike....all speedos are about 5-10% out.
In simple terms if the speedo says 60, i'm doing obviously less.
I'd be surprised if i'm the only one.
Stick to the speed limit and you'll be right.
Governments will look for any way of raising money. I'd rather speeding drivers pay it. The alternative is taxes are increased and we all pay.
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I've updated my post re Drag vs SpeedPajero NX GLX MY17, OEM Rubber mats, OEM Towbar and tongue, After market Rev. Sensors, MSA4x4 seat covers, OEM nudge bar.
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I would question th eassertion that ‘speed kills’. It should be more along the lines of inappropriate speed kills.
I am a volunteer road rescue operator and attend around 30 to 50 road crashes each year. In most of those, inattention, drugs and alcohol are the main contributors to the crash. Of the fatals I have attended this year, speed has been a factor in 2 of them. In one (which was a suicide) the speed was a factor, as was the drivers intent and the fact there wasnt a seatbelt being used. In the other, the driver fell asleep while speeding. In this case, the driver would still most likely have been deceased whether he was doing the speed limit or not.
In my opinion and experience, cameras are revenue raising. Police cars travelling up and down highways are far more effective. And could enforce other poor behaviours on the road such as keeping left unless overtaking, phone use, poorly maintained vehicles, and general poor attitudes and arrogant behaviours. Cameras, however, are cheaper to install and create a positive revenue stream.
Reducing speed limits, actually increases the risk of fatigue. Fatigued drivers have a risk equal to or higher than someone driving while over the BAC limit, or while under the influence of hallucinogenic drugs.
Better driver education and more rigorous testing of drivers should be another high priority.
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Originally posted by haggis View PostI would question th eassertion that ‘speed kills’. It should be more along the lines of inappropriate speed kills.
I am a volunteer road rescue operator and attend around 30 to 50 road crashes each year. In most of those, inattention, drugs and alcohol are the main contributors to the crash. Of the fatals I have attended this year, speed has been a factor in 2 of them. In one (which was a suicide) the speed was a factor, as was the drivers intent and the fact there wasnt a seatbelt being used. In the other, the driver fell asleep while speeding. In this case, the driver would still most likely have been deceased whether he was doing the speed limit or not.
In my opinion and experience, cameras are revenue raising. Police cars travelling up and down highways are far more effective. And could enforce other poor behaviours on the road such as keeping left unless overtaking, phone use, poorly maintained vehicles, and general poor attitudes and arrogant behaviours. Cameras, however, are cheaper to install and create a positive revenue stream.
Reducing speed limits, actually increases the risk of fatigue. Fatigued drivers have a risk equal to or higher than someone driving while over the BAC limit, or while under the influence of hallucinogenic drugs.
Better driver education and more rigorous testing of drivers should be another high priority.
Haggis.Cheers, Hatto
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