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Your words....

Seems we are both right? Though how something can be called a CTV when it only has one gear is beyond me.


It appears the petrol engine only drives the wheels through the 1 gear CVT when very specific conditions are met.

C constant
V variable
T transmission
1 out of 3 ain't bad I guess"
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The post was about the transmission of power to the wheels on the Mitsi Outlander PEV. I was not saying CVTs are all one gear. Only this one unusual vehicle. We were talking only about the Outlander PEV.

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The post was about the transmission of power to the wheels on the Mitsi Outlander PEV. I was not saying CVTs are all one gear. Only this one unusual vehicle. We were talking only about the Outlander PEV.

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Yeah, I get that's what you are saying. The issue is there is no such thing as a fixed gear CVT. I can't find anything on the Mitxubishi site that explains exactly how the engine directly drives the wheels in ICE drive mode, but it certainly doesn't say it has a single gear CVT in it.

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I had a bit more of a read of the link you provided and they describe the transmission as "the GKN Multi-Mode eTransmission". It's not even vaguely like a CVT.
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You are right and I said clearly the description of it being a CVT is nonsensical if it only has one ration. Perhaps looking at the following you can see why I said what I said. There is no logical reason why these Mitsi dealers keep referring to a PHEV CVT. I am sure I read recently a car reviewer also writting about a PHEV CVT. Unfortunately I can't find the review. However once again too many reviewers seem to have very little idea about what they are writting.

This is the link I had cut and pasted from. Its a Canadian Mitsi dealership by the look of it. Though we can't guarantee anything we find on the internet these days. Its about 1/3 of the way down the page.

https://johnscottimitsubishi.ca/en/2018-outlander-phev/

Also a search of google nz got

On trademe
https//www.trademe.co.nz/2356432002

NZ Mitsi dealers often advertised PHEVs like this

Mitsubishi Outlander VRX 2.0PHEV 4WD CVT 5Dr Wagon. From $286 per week^. Was $67,990 Now $52,990@*$#...

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With regard to sarcasm in written words, it's generally not that easy to pick up on, particularly when you take Poe's law into account.

Re dealers and reviewers, a large proportion of them know bugger all about anything even vaguely technical in regard to the vehicles they sell or review.
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Hub motors don't have enough torque for automotive use, and the higher torque designs tend to be speed restricted. Also they increase unsprung weight significantly.
Thanks for that. I was wondering why Mitsubishi's latest electric 4wd concept showed the motors being inboard, still driving the wheels via shafts. I suspected unsprung weight may have been a factor, but didn't consider torque capacity of hub motors.

At the recent 4wd Show in Adelaide I saw HPD's Zed70 - all electric 70 Series. 700Nm motor bolted to the transfer case, so still has high/low, but I did wonder if 700Nm (from zero rpm) would be enough (without 1st gear reduction) for severe off-road use - not that this is their target market. I also overheard something about speed limited to 70 km/h - so I guess there's still a trade-off between having lots of torque at low rpm and enough remaining torque at high rpm.
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My hybrid Corolla uses a three phase AC motor as do all electric cars including Outlander PHEV. The Outlander PHEV also has a direct single gear mechanical linkage as does the Holden volt, which can engage under heavy acceleration above a certain speed, I'm not sure but perhaps around 40 to 50 km/h.
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