Anyone got a winch without a Bullbar?

[Bru9]

Not sure if such a setup on a Gen 3 NM is possible? What does a bulbar offer? I don't see the need for one & just want a winch for getting unstuck. Isn't a bulbar just for protecting you front body from animals & trees?

[m_and_m]

Bbar is also good for mounting accessories like spotties, lightbars, antennaes, sand flags etc.

The frontal protection is the primary purpose, so it depends on where you're taking the 4by.

It protects not only occupants, but also critical components like the radiator.
Hit a roo in middle of nowhere....bad news.

Once you take off the plastic bumper you realise how flimsy it is. Good for nothing except cosmetics actually.

[KiwiNTPajero]

Bbar is also good for mounting accessories like spotties, lightbars, antennaes, sand flags etc.

The frontal protection is the primary purpose, so it depends on where you're taking the 4by.

It protects not only occupants, but also critical components like the radiator.
Hit a roo in middle of nowhere....bad news.

Once you take off the plastic bumper you realise how flimsy it is. Good for nothing except cosmetics actually.

you are completely wrong.The bull bar does absolutely nothing to protect the occupants.If anything it will make the consequences of a severe impact worse.The design of the Pajero will be a very complex model of a collapsing structure to absorb as much energy as possible.A bull bar can not add anything to that performance,it must detract from it imho.
The flimsy plastic bumper is just that a decorative peice of plastic to make the front look good.It has no part to play in the prevention of injury to the occupants of a pajero,maybe some small attempt to prevent injuries to a cyclist or pedestrian the Pajero runs into.
The bull bar is to prevent damage to the radiator etc .I am not sure that it would do anything of consequence if you collided with a full sized bull.A full sized bull could weight 1000kg.So its like you have collided with a small car.

[Scouter1]

you are completely wrong.The bull bar does absolutely nothing to protect the occupants.

Depends on what type of bullbar you have fitted:

http://www.smartbar.com.au/head%20impact%20test-video.html

http://www.smartbar.com.au/media/SA115%20Pajero%20C%20Web.pdf

http://www.smartbar.com.au/media/SA147%20Hilux%205SSB%20C.pdf

Cheers,
Stephen

[Kumabear]

The only problem is... without sugar coating it.

They look gross idk if i can get past how bad they look when compared to a nice steel bar.

[TheTaipan]

The only problem is... without sugar coating it.

They look gross idk if i can get past how bad they look when compared to a nice steel bar.

Practical versus looking nice!

I go for practical every time.

[Toddyh]

Practical versus looking nice!

I go for practical every time.

I'm the same normally. I saw a stick go straight trough a gap in a smart bar and puncture radiator among other things. On closer inspection the things have huge gaps everywhere and would not be what I call practical. Sure if you never go bush but otherwise no thanks.
Also I've already hit a couple of roos and my steel bar has saved damage both times. Without that bar I'd be stranded. If that's not looking after the safety of the occupants I don't know what is.

[old Jack]

Not sure if such a setup on a Gen 3 NM is possible? What does a bulbar offer? I don't see the need for one & just want a winch for getting unstuck. Isn't a bulbar just for protecting you front body from animals & trees?

Your options maybe limited due to the age of your Pajero for either a bulbar, winch bar or winch mount.

Winch mounts are popular overseas, Wolf 4x4, AFN & Asfir all make them but they cost about $1000 without the winch.

Winch bars, you could use a "rhino bar" or an ARB Sahara bar without the centre tube are possibilities.

Bullbar, steel, alloy, plastic? once again I am not sure what is available to suit an older Pajero.

Vehicle mounted winches are a fair investment, bar+winch+2nd battery+front spring and shocker upgrade!

Do you really need a vehicle mounted winch?
Is a hand Tirfor winch more vestitile for what you want to do?
Will a set or two of recovery tracks do the same or even a better job?

I have had and used all 3 options, on my latest vehicle I have chossen 2 sets of recovery tracks over a power winch and that was after 30 years of 4wd ownership with a power winch.

cheers, old Jack.

[Bru9]

Your options maybe limited due to the age of your Pajero for either a bulbar, winch bar or winch mount.

Winch mounts are popular overseas, Wolf 4x4, AFN & Asfir all make them but they cost about $1000 without the winch.

Winch bars, you could use a "rhino bar" or an ARB Sahara bar without the centre tube are possibilities.

Bullbar, steel, alloy, plastic? once again I am not sure what is available to suit an older Pajero.

Vehicle mounted winches are a fair investment, bar+winch+2nd battery+front spring and shocker upgrade!

Do you really need a vehicle mounted winch?
Is a hand Tirfor winch more vestitile for what you want to do?
Will a set or two of recovery tracks do the same or even a better job?

I have had and used all 3 options, on my latest vehicle I have chossen 2 sets of recovery tracks over a power winch and that was after 30 years of 4wd ownership with a power winch.

cheers, old Jack.

I will consider all that thanks. About the second battery. Are they usually two smaller ones under bonnet or the second one some where else? I can only fit a 12" single in the space I have. Just curious.

[TheTaipan]

Er, Toddyh.

I have a Smart Bar.

[old Jack]

I will consider all that thanks. About the second battery. Are they usually two smaller ones under bonnet or the second one some where else? I can only fit a 12" single in the space I have. Just curious.

Winching can put a huge load on both your alternator and battery so if you want to be able to winch without the engine running then you need plenty of battery capacity. Unfortunately most modern winches are high speed and therefore are high amperage, most use 400amps at full load so a standard N70 battery will run out of steam quickly even with a 90/100 amp alternator working flat out.

cheers, old Jack.

[Dicko1]

I,m with Old Jack on this one. I decided against getting a winch on the Paj. Had em on every other 4wd I,ve owned but decided not to get one. Didn't want a second battery under the bonnet and at the end of the day a winch is not used often and mostly used to pull other people out of strife.

[TheTaipan]

Heaps of reading here.

https://www.google.com.au/?gws_rd=ssl#q=pajero+winh+plate

[m_and_m]

you are completely wrong.The bull bar does absolutely nothing to protect the occupants.If anything it will make the consequences of a severe impact worse.

Gees... Tell me what you really think! them is fighting words

So KiwiNTPajero, do you actually feel LESS safe with a BBar on the front of your paj, or MORE safe?

How do others feel? I sure as hell like having it there.

[Fritterbug]

No idea on Pajeros but on Land Rover Discovery you can get winch cradles that go behind the bumper so you get a winch without any sort of bar at all.

Like this one on a D3/4

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/VvO4NNIR-1t3LEtdBsmxAf5W6kJjxCzUzMfasDOg7tSnG2j30WkUukeRiti4bnayxCcmPfty0ilmQ1fTyhHB29m7HHZ3HdJfqmN20YWpAbs2vpu71drRIGvFWMAF07sESqcLRtc86A=w443-h332-nc