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In a body on chassis design the tailshaft can vertical pivot between the gearbox and diff as the diff travels with the suspension. The tailshaft slides into the rear of the gearbox and can move in and out as required. With the Gen and IRS both the gearbox and diffs are mounted to to body via subframes so the distance between them is constant until there is an impact that compresses the length of the floorpan as it absorbs the impact forces. Fitting a solid tailshaft would reduce the ability for the floorpan to absorb impact forces so these forces will go elsewhere. In real life how much this would matter I do not know? I would have thought a low km second hand composite tailshaft would be a better choice than a new solid steel unit.

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Good points...


But....How many IRS monocoque rear wheel drive cars are there out in the world?


BMWs, Mercs, most modern Yank tanks, Even Volvos!



None with carbon tail shafts apart from super/hyper cars.



All crash tested with steel shafts.


Mitsubishi did it for a reason but why.....?$$$$$$


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Hi Dave,

Mitsubishi state in the Workshop Manual, the composite tailshaft is for safety, I have read that they tend to reduce noise transmission into the cabin.
As Spot 01 pointed out, It cannot be cost reduction since they are much more expensive than steel tailshafts. Weight reduction is a possibility since Mitsubishi also used an aluminium bonnet.
Will we every know the complete truth?

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Well, my local driveshaft bloke said there are quite a few vehicles now with carbon fibre tail shafts and some use aluminium as well. He has never done a Pajero before and doesn’t seem keen to try and make me a steel one.

However, I contacted Driveline Services Australia at Acacia Ridge in Brisbane, and they said they’d done a few of them – total cost in around $800 – compare that with $2,799 for the OEM one.

The thing that annoys me about this is Mitsubishi make the replacement part so expensive that owners look for alternatives. Why would I want to give them an extra $2,000 when every other vehicle I’ve ever owned had a steel driveshaft? If it IS a safety feature, surely they should encourage us to use their part instead of just thinking about the monetary issue – as if !

I did intend making enquiries from wreckers, however with something like this you’re not going to know what you’ll end up with. The carbon shafts are easily damaged, during and after being removed from the vehicle, and I could be spending a few hundred dollars towards something I’m going to have to replace AGAIN in a short period of time – ie. there is no real way of knowing how many kilometres the second hand shaft has done.

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Well, my local driveshaft bloke said there are quite a few vehicles now with carbon fibre tail shafts and some use aluminium as well. He has never done a Pajero before and doesn’t seem keen to try and make me a steel one.

However, I contacted Driveline Services Australia at Acacia Ridge in Brisbane, and they said they’d done a few of them – total cost in around $800 – compare that with $2,799 for the OEM one.

The thing that annoys me about this is Mitsubishi make the replacement part so expensive that owners look for alternatives. Why would I want to give them an extra $2,000 when every other vehicle I’ve ever owned had a steel driveshaft? If it IS a safety feature, surely they should encourage us to use their part instead of just thinking about the monetary issue – as if !

I did intend making enquiries from wreckers, however with something like this you’re not going to know what you’ll end up with. The carbon shafts are easily damaged, during and after being removed from the vehicle, and I could be spending a few hundred dollars towards something I’m going to have to replace AGAIN in a short period of time – ie. there is no real way of knowing how many kilometres the second hand shaft has done.

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I suspect the MMAL cost to some extent reflects the high cost of this material/component - they don't spend extra money on new car bits unless they have a good reason.


Re wreckers, try to find a good Mitsi specialist, like Eddy Wreckers @ Gillman here in Adelaide, as they know their stuff & will stand by it if something goes wrong, eg, a mate here had them install a used diesel engine in his NP. After a while, he wasn't totally happy with how it was running (just didn't feel quite right), Eddy agreed & replaced the engine, no dramas - great service. If you find a low km, non major accident one, I would think it will be fine. Ideally one still on the car would be best, although joint wear would be a good guide.
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A bit off topic, but.....


I had a Bosch pressure washer that rats had chewed the hose.


Bosch Australia wanted $299 for a new hose. (in stock in Australia)



Bunnings sold the whole machine for $299


I tried to reason with the Bosch sales person but he stood his ground and said $299



I said you will have them in stock for ever, no one will ever buy them, no response....


So if Mitsubishi have replacement shafts in stock here they will sell none unless it's an insurance company paying...


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Hi Geoff,

When I did a parts search on MR581617 it come up with what looks like just the Uni joint, so maybe they are replaceable?
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fro...81617&_sacat=0

There is also this forum thread.
https://www2.pajeroclub.com.au/forum...ad.php?t=60208

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Hi Geoff,

When I did a parts search on MR581617 it come up with what looks like just the Uni joint, so maybe they are replaceable?
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fro...81617&_sacat=0

There is also this forum thread.
https://www2.pajeroclub.com.au/forum...ad.php?t=60208

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Yeah, I saw that and I think (only think), that you use that uni joint to make an all metal drive shaft. I’m wondering how MM attach the carbon fibre to the metal joint – possibly epoxy glue – I used to sell epoxies and know there are some pretty amazing formulations. If I end up with my old shaft as junk, I might pull it apart to see what makes it tick. Interestingly, Driveline Services said they needed my old shaft to ‘use a couple of bits off it.’

Anyway, I rang Eddy Wreckers in Adelaide (as recommended by ‘Spot01’) and the bloke was very helpful. Unfortunately he doesn’t have a shaft BUT he gave me the names of two other wreckers he reckons do have one, so I’ve emailed them to see how much they want etc.

If that doesn’t work out, I’ll have to go the way of the steel one from Driveline Services in Brisbane.

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