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Without having any other details, my guess by looking at the pics and damage is that the driver lost control with van attached, jack knifed and hit the barrier resulting in tow hitch to part company with the van.

Can't see how such an accident would happen if it was the case the towbar just broke whilst underway.
I don't presume to have much experience towing but I would agree with the above. The items suspended from the rear end of the caravan will make the combination more unsteady. Perhaps this was done to reduce rear end sag.

Situations like these are where the insurers (and police) have a very close look at the vehicle and caravan and make sure everything (including weight) was compliant with vehicle specifications and ADRs. I hope the vehicle was not overloaded, otherwise the insurer might be able to argue that this caused the accident (which insurance does not cover).
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Hi Green Troill.

I wouldn't say "blaming", but forums are there for theories - it's only by putting forward a thought or theory as to what caused it or what happennd we can learn from it, what NOT to do in the future.

That's how I see it, anyway.

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Over the last 5 or 10 years I have collected quite a few photo's of failed tow hitches.

The failure modes from memory include broken tow bars, tow bars separated from the tow vehicle, broken/ bent A frames, and couplings / hitches separating from the A frame.

The one obvious common factor in all cases was the use of high load (250kg+) WDH bars.

WDH systems can be very beneficial but we should have a limitation the loading, eg a maximum 60 to 70% of the allowable ball weight, or some other limitation preferably imposed by the vehicle builder or tow bar manufacturer.
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Over the last 5 or 10 years I have collected quite a few photo's of failed tow hitches.

The failure modes from memory include broken tow bars, tow bars separated from the tow vehicle, broken/ bent A frames, and couplings / hitches separating from the A frame.

The one obvious common factor in all cases was the use of high load (250kg+) WDH bars.

WDH systems can be very beneficial but we should have a limitation the loading, eg a maximum 60 to 70% of the allowable ball weight, or some other limitation preferably imposed by the vehicle builder or tow bar manufacturer.

I would bet that half of the accidents caused involving caravans could be halved if people bought a van that was a maximum 2/3 of what the glossy advert said their vehicle was capable of towing. And thats 2/3 loaded up ready to hit the tar!!
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I would bet that half of the accidents caused involving caravans could be halved if people bought a van that was a maximum 2/3 of what the glossy advert said their vehicle was capable of towing. And thats 2/3 loaded up ready to hit the tar!!
And did a recognised course on towing that includes reversing, emergency braking, keeping a safe distance, knowing the caravan doesn't follow the same track as the towing vehicle ect.
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How about this one......

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How about this one......

https://youtu.be/_ix7ZgsWTMg
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How about this one......

https://youtu.be/_ix7ZgsWTMg
That is scary because I have exactly the same caravan. I also find it interesting that the van did not explode when it tipped over. I have seen many sites where obviously the van broke up - possessions and effects everywhere, and nothing but a chassis remaining. My van has now done just short of 200000 km and whilst I would hope to be immune from events such as these, I am still very cautious when driving the van anywhere.
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That is scary because I have exactly the same caravan. I also find it interesting that the van did not explode when it tipped over. I have seen many sites where obviously the van broke up - possessions and effects everywhere, and nothing but a chassis remaining. My van has now done just short of 200000 km and whilst I would hope to be immune from events such as these, I am still very cautious when driving the van anywhere.
scarey as, that is why I have never even been interested in getting a van.
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Saw this on Facebook, they were saying the van exceeded the towing weight. Not sure if it was true or not. Its hard to tell if the Paj crashed and broke the tow bar or if the tow bar broke causing the Paj to crash.





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Am i seeing this correct in photo 2. The hitch pin is still in place? Therefore has ripped through the receiver?
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