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  • m_and_m
    Valued Member
    • Mar 2010
    • 1811
    • Tea Tree Gully, Adelaide

    DIY Transfer Case switch replacement (Orange CD light flashing)

    My NP transfer case was causing the dreaded CD orange blink after going from 4H to 4HLC.
    The error code was 33, which is the Centre Diff switch. There are 5 switches that confirm the TC shaft has moved to the correct position after being commanded by the computer.

    This is a ‘driveway’ technique, avoiding expensive Mitsi dealers or hoists. If you have access to these facilities, by all means go ahead.

    BACKGROUND
    Interestingly, this is the SAME switch I had replaced by a misti dealer a mere 15 months ago after throwing the same code. A call to the same stealer that fixed it last year said parts only have a 12 month warranty. WTF…the first switched lasted 13 years!!! I mean..geees...I seriously have a case to take it further under Australian Consumer Law if I wanted to.
    However, since I’m selling the car and the buyer wanted it fixed before they’d take it…it was urgent; so I did it myself.
    I had received a 2nd hand switch from a donor transfer case (thanks nj_swb).

    TIME TAKEN
    By myself it took me about 3 hours from start to finishing cleanup. The dealer charged me $240 labour last time it was replaced, plus I’d bought the new genuine switch earlier and provided it to them..can’t exactly remember the price I paid - about $100). On eBay you can buy a switch for less than $50.

    DIAGNOSIS
    Firstly, I assume you have a orange CD light flashing meaning there is an error in the transfer case; you need to diagnose the cause. It could be a input or output shaft speed sensor, or a switch that determines the position of the shaft internal to the transfer case when changing between 4WD modes.
    There are many threads on this in the forum to help. I’m not going into the details of diagnosis.

    I have a MUT which allowed me to directly interrogate the Super Select 2 (SSII) to determine the error code and to watch the switch positions change ‘live’.
    This determined code 33 - Centre Diff switch.

    However, there is a way to force the orange CD light to ‘blink’ and report the error code without the MUT3. Can anyone help by explaining how?

    Depending on the code, you can determine which transfer case switch is causing the problem.

    See this thread to work out how to diagnose it, and order a replacement switch.


    LETS GET STARTED - PARTS AND TOOLS
    To do it, the tools you need are:
    a. jack (to support he transmission as you ‘drop’ it to get access to the switches).
    b. 12mm and 14mm sockets/spanners to undo the propellor shaft from the rear diff
    c. 14mm socket to undo the transmission support bracket bolts
    d. multi meter to confirm the switch is actually faulty
    e. something to support the propellor shaft once free and undone.
    f. a new replacement switch (durr)
    g. Patience. And lots of it. Don’t do this job without it… trust me. A lot of it was done by ‘feel’


    Here’s the process I followed.

    SAFETY FIRST
    1. Put transmission in 2WD, Neutral, handbrake on, and the wheels chocked. Use 2WD/ N because you need to rotate the propellor shaft to align during re-assembly.
    Wear safety glasses stop dirt falling in your eyes.

    UNDO PROPELLOR SHAFT AT THE REAR DIFF.
    2. Mark the alignment of the prop shaft to the diff, as you need make sure they’re lined again up when reassembling. I used a chalk pen.

    3. remove the bolts holding the prop shaft to the rear diff (12mm spanner and 14mm socket head). You can get to all but the very top bolt. So I un-chocked the wheels and ’rolled’ the car forward about 15cm to cause the prop shaft to rotate so I could then access the remaining bolt.


    4. Once bolts are removed you need to ‘detach’ the prop shaft from the axle. To detach it I had difficultly. Taps of a hammer were unsuccessful.
    CAUTION: Do not tap the shaft itself as it is carbon fibre and brittle. I was tapping the steel end part of the prop shaft. After no success I decided on a risky method. (I was alone). I put several old ‘pillows’ under the shaft to catch it as it would fall. I started the car and quickly put it in R to use engine torque to ‘free’ it, and then put it back to P. This worked…with a tiny bit of gear grinding as it fell - quickly turned off the engine. Not pretty, but worked. (I’m hoping a mechanic than I can explain a better procedure for this step)
    The prop shaft fell just 15cm onto a soft landing.

    DROP THE TRANSMISSION DOWN
    6. Make sure the transmission is properly supported by a hydraulic jack.


    7. remove the bolts for the bracket that supports the whole transmission. (4x 14mm bolts)


    8. gentle release the hydraulic jack to SLOWLY lower the whole engine & transmission. How far you lower it is up to you. I slowly lowered it as far as I dared.

    You now have physical access to the top of the transfer case where the switches are.


    REPLACE THE FAULTY SWITCH
    9. Disconnect the faulty switch’s plug. Mine was No 2 (brown connector) and then remove the switch plug from the metal holding bracket. Push a sharp object in the hole to pull it off the bracket


    10. Now came the difficult bit. You can’t ’see’ up there. I used an iPhone with the LED light to video record the top of the transfer case and the switches. I replayed the video recording to see what I was dealing with. You can also angle the phone and see a live picture. This was really important because to locate and remove the switch is done by feel, not sight.

    CLEAN THE AREA
    11. There was a LOT of dirt and rocks near the 5x switches. I used a toothbrush and my fingers to loosen up all the dried mud. I then used compressed air to blow away the dirt and rock. You don’t want this dirt to be around when you remove the old switch as it would be easy for dirt to enter the internals of the transfer case once the switch is removed. How you remove the dirt is up to you; water, compressed air [whatever].

    BEFORE CLEANING


    AFTER CLEANING


    REMOVE THE SWITCH
    12. Break the torque on the problem switch to be replaced. Here you need a lot of patience, a good ‘feel’ and a 22mm spanner. I used the ring end, passing the plug of the wire through the ring spanner and then pushed the spanner down the wire until it reached the switch. Unfortunately you can’t use a ratchet socket head because the wire interferes.
    UTILISE LOTS OF PATIENCE HERE

    13. Once the torque is broken, unscrew the faulty switch with fingers. I was not careful at this point as I knew the switch was buggered, but as a result the switch wire twisted and broke the insulation. This is an important lesson for when you re-install the new switch; don’t let the wire twist!


    CONFIRM THE REMOVED SWITCH IS FAULTY
    14. Now check the removed switch is actually faulty. Use a multi meter to check continuity between the connector’s wire and the switch housing at the other end. The housing is chassis earth. Pressing the switch in and out will cause a make or break of the connection (continuity meter beeps when closed).
    This confirmed my switch was faulty, as nothing happened when pushing and releasing the switch. Practice on the ‘good’ switch to see what to expect.
    If your multimeter doesn’t have a continuity feature, measure the resistance instead. The manual states <2 ohms when closed…infinity when open.

    INSTALL THE REPLACEMENT SWITCH
    15. Install the replacement switch; as above be careful to rotate the plug n wire as it is screwed in to ensure it doesn’t twist the wire. Use 22mm spanner to tighten up the switch. Connect the new switches plug to the supporting metal bracket which holds the other two switches’ connectors.

    TEST
    16. Now check the transfer case works as best as possible without starting the car, because the propellor shaft is still disconnected. Putting the ignition on (without starting) seemed to allow 2H -> 4H -> 4HLC and back again to work. Going into 4LLC didn’t. This confirmed my fault had gone away This step really depends on which of the 5 TC switches was faulty.

    REASSEMBLY
    17. Make sure the new switch is installed properly. i.e. clipped into the switch support bracket etc.
    18. use the hydraulic jack to raise the transmission back up until until you can reassemble the transmission support bracket and bolts. Tighten all 4 bolts.
    19. Reassemble the prop. shaft to the rear diff ensuring the chalk marks lineup as per prior to removal.

    FINAL TEST
    20. road test; and celebrate or commiserate

    Hope this helps someone, someday.
    Last edited by m_and_m; 23-11-16, 08:52 AM.
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  • geopaj
    Valued Member
    • Jul 2007
    • 2756
    • Adelaide

    #2
    Great write up.

    I bet Mrs M is happy to have it sold too.
    Silver NT VRX Di-D

    ARB bullbar | snorkel | Bushskinz & Boo’s guards | UltraGauge MX | 2" lift | Cooper AT3 LT's | dual battery | Superwinch X9 | 80ltr diesel tank | 22ltr water tank | aux trans cooler | MM Lockup Mate | GME UHF | locker/TC mod | SPV EGR | rear LED work light | rhino platform | ARB awning | rear drawers ... & plenty of scratches

    My Build Thread - HERE

    Previously - NL Pajero (now owned by Forum member 'Gemster')

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    • m_and_m
      Valued Member
      • Mar 2010
      • 1811
      • Tea Tree Gully, Adelaide

      #3
      Originally posted by geopaj View Post
      Great write up.

      I bet Mrs M is happy to have it sold too.
      Thanks - happy to get the cash, but not happy to see it go We loved that car.
      2016 NX Exceed 3.2 DiD, BullBar | 2" OME lift | Safari snorkel | UHF | Towbar | Tow pro elite ECB | Full Bushskinz UBP and side steps | HID highbeam upgrade | 9" LED spots | 100Ahr Aux. Battery | HPD Oil catch can | Flappy Paddles | auto-matePRO
      2016 LC200 Sahara V8 Diesel,Lots of Mods too
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      • NMPajman
        Junior Member
        • Apr 2019
        • 16
        • Hobart

        #4
        Transfer case switch replacement

        Firstly, thanks M_and_M for the detailed post in regards to replacement of the switches.

        I had the flashing centre diff lock light on my NM Pajero, changed the front diff solenoid but still no good so I read other postings about the transfer switches and had some great advise, purchased a set of five and read your post on how to change the brown transfer case switch, so I changed the brown one and checked it, still no good, was feeling frustrated but found some more patience and replaced the White transfer case switch, checked the car and hey presto..... All good.
        Thanks very much for the post with the photos as it was frustrating to say the least working by feel but all worth it in the end and for anyone else in the same issue, having the code 33 fault, suggest you have a go at fixing yourself, worth 3hrs work and no mechanic needed plus you get to learn a fair bit.

        Just remember to read M_and_M post before starting anything as it's important to follow the process as well as support the rear diff shaft as it will fall out once gearbox is lowered.

        You need lots of patience and cleaning is not easy, air compressor will help to blow out any dirt and dust once loosened.

        Rod
        2000 NM 2.8Ltr Exceed, Alloy bull bar and 1.5 inch lift... pretty stock

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        • m_and_m
          Valued Member
          • Mar 2010
          • 1811
          • Tea Tree Gully, Adelaide

          #5
          Originally posted by NMPajman View Post
          Firstly, thanks M_and_M for the detailed post in regards to replacement of the switches.

          I had the flashing centre diff lock light on my NM Pajero, changed the front diff solenoid but still no good so I read other postings about the transfer switches and had some great advise, purchased a set of five and read your post on how to change the brown transfer case switch, so I changed the brown one and checked it, still no good, was feeling frustrated but found some more patience and replaced the White transfer case switch, checked the car and hey presto..... All good.
          Thanks very much for the post with the photos as it was frustrating to say the least working by feel but all worth it in the end and for anyone else in the same issue, having the code 33 fault, suggest you have a go at fixing yourself, worth 3hrs work and no mechanic needed plus you get to learn a fair bit.

          Just remember to read M_and_M post before starting anything as it's important to follow the process as well as support the rear diff shaft as it will fall out once gearbox is lowered.

          You need lots of patience and cleaning is not easy, air compressor will help to blow out any dirt and dust once loosened.

          Rod
          Cheers Rod - bit of a trip down memory lane reading this again. Glad it helped.
          2016 NX Exceed 3.2 DiD, BullBar | 2" OME lift | Safari snorkel | UHF | Towbar | Tow pro elite ECB | Full Bushskinz UBP and side steps | HID highbeam upgrade | 9" LED spots | 100Ahr Aux. Battery | HPD Oil catch can | Flappy Paddles | auto-matePRO
          2016 LC200 Sahara V8 Diesel,Lots of Mods too
          Checkout our products at MM4x4 http://www.mm4x4.com.au auto-mate and lockup-mate for Mitsubishi's and Toyota's

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          • gilur
            Junior Member
            • Dec 2018
            • 19
            • Israel

            #6
            Hi Guys,
            I'm reviving this post - with your permission,

            I heard that on some models there is access to these switches from within the vehicle. Should take out armrest, transmission handle and all that area and there should be a cover to open.

            ANyone knows something about this?
            In what models does it exist?
            (mine is a v68W, its a short 2001 3.2L Disel automatic)

            Thanks

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            • Skexis
              Valued Member
              • Dec 2012
              • 504
              • Adelaide

              #7
              I'd be interested to know whether these can be accessed from inside the cabin as well. Mine's a 2003 NP petrol. V75 I think.
              "When strangers meet, great allowances should be made for differences of custom and training". The Lady Jessica - Wisdom of Arrakis

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              • jsharief
                Junior Member
                • Nov 2020
                • 9
                • Jazan, KSA

                #8
                Hi, Great Post M_an_M, I have a question, I just bought a used Pajero 2018 3.5 L Petrol, with 110000 Km run, got full service done, all fluids brake pads changed, now after about a month I found that after driving for about 30 KM or so the Center diff orange light flashed, if any of the switch is faulty it should flash right from ignition, why does it come on only after driving for over 25Km.

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                • erad
                  Valued Member
                  • Mar 2015
                  • 5067
                  • Cooma NSW

                  #9
                  My experience with flashing CD light was slightly mis-matched tyres - I had the original Bridgestone Highway tread tyres on the front and 2 Hankook AT tyres on the rear. When I finally put 2 AT's on the front, the CD light problem went away. The tyres were nominally the same size ie 265/65/17, but obviously there was a difference in construction which was enough to throw a code and also cause the CD light to come on. Nowadays, the shift from 2WD to 4Wd and back again is almost instantaneous.

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                  • Kiwimitsi
                    Junior Member
                    • Dec 2019
                    • 3
                    • Auckland

                    #10
                    Originally posted by erad View Post
                    My experience with flashing CD light was slightly mis-matched tyres - I had the original Bridgestone Highway tread tyres on the front and 2 Hankook AT tyres on the rear. When I finally put 2 AT's on the front, the CD light problem went away. The tyres were nominally the same size ie 265/65/17, but obviously there was a difference in construction which was enough to throw a code and also cause the CD light to come on. Nowadays, the shift from 2WD to 4Wd and back again is almost instantaneous.
                    Erad, interesting what you've mentioned about the tyres. About 2 weeks ago I've replaced all 4 stock HT tyres on my 2000 NM with the same size AT tyres (265 70r16) and then went on a 1800km trip. The flashing orange CD light issue appeared after just about 25km on my trip!
                    Apart from the flashing light, I could not detect any issues: The light goes off when I turn the car off and on, andthen the 4WD system operates normally. Can do 100's of km's in 4H without any issues, and shift between 2H and 4H on-the-fly. Used 4HL and 4LL with no issues, but in 2H the light starts to flash after about 20-30 km. I'm reading the forums to help me isolate a faulty vacuum hose or switch, but now that I've read your comment, I'm wondering whether the new tyres have anything to do with it... I'm home for just 1 day and off on another trip tomorrow, and with a public holiday in NZ yesterday, no chance to do anything about the issue. Will have to see how it goes for the next week...

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                    • erad
                      Valued Member
                      • Mar 2015
                      • 5067
                      • Cooma NSW

                      #11
                      KiwiMitsi: Years ago, we bought a Mitsubishi Sigma, brand new. We drove it out of the dealer and the car was pulling strongly to the right. Now, the warranty stated that wheel alignment was not covered by warranty, so we drove it back into the dealer and told them what was happening. They agreed that this was not normal (so much for their pre-delivery checks). Anyway, they changed the front tyres over and then it was pulling to the left. They then put a caliper over the tyre casing and found that one tyre was nearly 10 mm larger than the other. Tyres were not covered by Mitsubihsi warranty either, so off to the Dunlop dealer...

                      All tyres were nominally the same size (from memory, 165R x 13). The tyre dealer (Dunlop) explained the manufacturing process. The carcass was placed on a machine and the steel belt laid over the carcass. Rubber was then injected and the whole lot was then cured in a mould. The tyres were then removed from the mould and placed on a machine and checked or lateral and radial runout. If the runout exceeded a certain tolerance, a yellow dot of paint was squirted onto the tread and later down the production line, the marked tyres were detected and diverted to a reject bin. The rejects were then taken to a buffing machine and high spots were buffed off. If the tyre then came within tolerance, it was then sent down the line as a 'good' tyre. The dealer explained all this and offered to have the Dunlop representative look at the tyre when he came next week. He got the spare tyre out from the back to fit on the car and, Lo and Behold, it had a yellow dot on it. He measured the tread depth both in the buffed and untouched areas. 9 mm untouched, 6.5 mm buffed. He offered to replace the tyre under warranty, but the terms of the replacement were such that I could buy new (DIFFERENT BRAND) tyres cheaper elsewhere. Needless to say, I have never bought Dunlop tyres again. Actually, my wife's Outlander came with Dunlops but I checked and they were made in Japan. They proved to be very good, but noisy and eventually I replaced them at nearly 90000 km, even though they would have gone to 110 or 120000 km.

                      So the first thing I would do is to check the pressures in the tyres. Then I would measure the diameter of your tyres - all 4 of them. Jack each wheel and check the tyre for runout - both radial and lateral. While you are doing this, check the tyres to see that the tread sits centrally on the carcass. Lastly, I would bring the spare tyre into play as well. I think what is happening is that one of the tyres is running slightly different speed to the others. I never had any CD lights etc when in 2WD - only 4WD with the centre diff not locked. By experimenting, you may be able to isolate the suspect tyre, but it isn't going to be easy. When I had the 2 front tyres replaced with tyresnominally identical to the rear, all my hassles (CD light, engage/disengage 4WD etc) disappeared.

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                      • Mundy55
                        Valued Member
                        • Nov 2015
                        • 921
                        • Gold Coast

                        #12
                        Wow, Erad, I'd never have thought to check the OD of my tyres if I'd had the problem. I might measure them just to see if there's a difference anyway.

                        Great thread guys.

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                        • erad
                          Valued Member
                          • Mar 2015
                          • 5067
                          • Cooma NSW

                          #13
                          To clarify, the odd tyre on the Sigma was actually 10 mm wider in the bag (they must have used the wrong carcass when making the tyre). I never measured the diameter to compare that tyre with the others - it was a brand new car and the least I could expect was 5 tyres of the same size. When the Dunlop representative made the trade-in offer for a complete set of new tyres (also Dunlop), I naturally jumped at the offer (NOT). Incidentally, the tyre was probably made at Pacific Dunlop in Bayswater Vic, and they also made Bridgestone tyres at the time. I had a set of Bridgestones on the next car we bought (a TM Magna) and naturally I looked for dots of paint in the centre of the tread etc, but there was nothing. All tyres were at least 'identical', but they were utter crap and ddn't last very long. Pacific Dunlop has since closed down and as far as I know, no tyres are made in Australia any more.

                          In your case, I would check the pressures in the tyres first, and adjust as required. Check to see if the CD light goes away. Then start measuring diameters (or more specifically the rolling radius of each tyre).

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                          • John55
                            Junior Member
                            • Nov 2021
                            • 1
                            • New Zealand

                            #14
                            Just a warning to all about the cheap transfer case switches that you can buy. Code 33. First of all the length can be different as I found out, ended up putting another ecu and a lot of stuffing around only to find out after removing the new ones the slight difference. Also the contacts on them I have found to be very cheaply made and hardly work. Ended up fitting genuine switches. This ended up being a three week battle and had given up on the vehicle. All sorted now. Cheers.
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                            • svos
                              Junior Member
                              • Oct 2023
                              • 5
                              • Canberra

                              #15
                              ​Great thread and I started replacing my switches this weekend. I tried to clean the area with a spray bottle with some water and brushes and my fingers. I thought I dit a decent job, but looking back, I did not. After taking some videos and pictures after removing the switches, it appears that I have some dirt in one of the holes, and a bunch of it sitting right there waiting to fall in.

                              Does anyone have any creative ideas on how to clean this out without taking the entire transfer case out? Maybe some sort of flexible tubing taped to my vacuum cleaner to try and suck it out? Or perhaps a can of compressed air to try and blow it out (I do not have access to a compressor)? Given the little metal balls in there, the dirt should not be able to be blown further into the case and hopefully be ejected?

                              Or maybe something sticky on the end of a chopstik, like cleaning putty. But of course if that ends up leaving residu or breaking apart I have just created more problems.

                              Your input is appreciated!

                              Update 2023-10-18:

                              I have successfully extracted all contaminations from the holes and all other dirt and grit that was on top of the transfer case. I ended up taping a rubber hose (9.6mm inner diameter) to my vacuum cleaner. This worked much better than I had hoped and even sucked one of the metal balls right out! Popped that back in and followed with all the switches.

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                              I also found that when removing the switches, start with the one nearest to the rear of the car and work your way towards the front. When re-installing, do the reverse. This will give you a lot more clearance to work with, especially if you do not have an offset ring spanner.
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