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Old 17-02-10
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Default Confused re: NT suspension.

Just looking for any confirmation as to the options open to me, I've read in some places people have just replaced springs (ie HD) to compensate for the weight of bullbars etc. - but - in going into the local ARB store today they told me I can't just replace the springs but that I need a whole new shock to go with it. I'm sceptical of what they're saying as I think they're trying to sell more product.

I've got a steel bullbar and winch on the front and I've found that even though my car is brand new (I've got 280km's on the odometre now) I've noticed it already starting to sag and dive under brakes. I expected it after a few good thousand km's but this has happened very quickly.

The other issue I have is that the car only JUST fits in the shed due to height. I was looking for the possibility of a HD spring to assist with the weight but not actually lift above stock but they're telling me that I will get at least 35mm ABOVE stock - albeit with the whole spring/shock assembly being replaced (old man emu).

Is anyone able to confirm of rule out the fact that you can have SPRINGS ONLY replaced with heavy duty? And if so will this lift it above stock?

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You don't have to replace the shocks.
You CAN get heavy duty standard height springs from both Kings and Lovells, allthough even then the car will probably sit a few mm higher.
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Yeah I'm in the same process of looking at upgrading suspension.

From all I've read on here and a few local specialist suspension places I've spoken to regarding my current and future needs/setup I'll be keeping the standard shocks for now and putting some HD springs. At this stage most likely Lovells, and yeah it will come with a lift (no probs for me as the car already won't fit in the garage.........).

Every conversation I've had with ARB ends in the advice that I need a whole new setup of OME stuff. Always does - and fair enough they're there to make a sale. Even other 4x4 outlets have advised that in a brand new Paj just doing the springs is fine for most.

My advice would be to go to a specialist suspension place and tell them exactly what you're looking for. I personally don't know of a HD spring that won't give a lift, but then again I haven't been asking for one

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here you go, this will help

http://www2.pajeroclub.com.au/forum/...ght=suspension

http://www2.pajeroclub.com.au/forum/...ght=suspension
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forgot to continue the post

http://www2.pajeroclub.com.au/forum/...highlight=flex
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Dazza...I will be replacing my springs with King Springs - progressive. 2 inch lift.

I wont be replacing the shocks. No need. Very few are actually longer travel....so it is really nothing more in most cases than an upsell.

Note that ARB use King's. They claim they are built to ARB specs (Whatever that is) but at the end of the day I had no issues with Kings on my last three vehicles.

I had a set of lovels that sagged though.

If you order King's direct, make sure you request the progressive springs as they are much better for towing IMHO.

$400 approx for the springs plus install

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Thanks for the replies everyone, much appreciated. I won't even humour them by going back again - they've lied to me so they've lost my business.

Craig, I will be watching with interest when you get yours fitted and your experience with them.

I've sent an email query to both lovells and kings and will see how I go. That's saying something though if you've had kings on 3 different cars and been happy with them
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Hi All,

I'm going to upset you here by defending ARB, and I have no connection to them in any way apart from being a customer.
I am a member of the Paj Club (not just the Forum) and have twice been through the ARB factory, including their shock absorber calibration lab.
Springs and shocks work as a "team" so to speak, and they MUST be properly matched to work well.
If you change your springs, you will have not only a changed height, but changed rebound and compression rates, all of which require matched dampers for optimum performance.
The complete handling and safety of your vehicle is affected by this, and I for one, would not be messing with things without proper, qualified, advice.

On the subject of "dive" under brakes, both my NM and NT Pajeros have a tendency to nose dive under severe braking, regardless of fitting of bull bar or not.



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I've noticed that some of you have said, in other threads, that the after market shocks and struts have NO MORE TRAVEL than the standard stuff. If this is the case why would you need them when 40 mm lift HD springs are fitted? I'm no mechanic but wouldn't the shocks/struts be limiting any coil travel.

Dazza, TJM here in Adelaide advised me that if I went for their 20-25mm lift I would NOT need their shocks and stuts but WOULD if I went 40mm. If their shocks and struts have no extra travel wtf?
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There are NO longer travel shocks avaialble at all for ann NM to NT pajeros.

The front shock can not be any longer in travel at all, as is, at full down travel the shock casing is about 3mm from the upper wishbone. I looked into making up some strut top spacers, but due to wishbone lenghts it impossible to do so.

The rear shocks can be inproved as per my previous posts, esentially fitiing LC100 shock in, works a charm, car has traveled some 20K with no warries at all.
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