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  • Vix2010
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2015
    • 255
    • Wamboin NSW

    Camping At Tom Groggin

    Hi all,
    Just thought I would give a quick review of our camping experience at Tom Groggin Campground on the 24th-28th January 2017:

    My wife, Myself and our three kids left on the Tuesday morning and headed to Island Bend to campground in Kosciuszko National Park NSW. It had taken us nearly two days to pack all the necessary items into the Pajero and Camper Trailer but we were able to leave by 10 am (which is pretty good… for us). After a quick stop at Burra to visit some family members, we were back on the road by 12pm. We took it easy and arrived at Island Bend at 3pm. Perfect! Two hours to set up camp, then into the Snowy River for a dip before dinner…. NOPE! Island Bend camp ground had plenty of nice spots but the river was flowing too fast for the kids to safely go swimming and within minutes of exiting the Pajero, I was right back in it to escape the enormous biting Horse-flies. This wasn’t going to work! (After much asking my wife), we decided to head for Ngarigo Campground which is located on Alpine Way and was the closest trailer suitable campground to us.

    A quick drive through of Ngarigo told us that we were not the only ones with this idea and the campground was packed to capacity! What to do?! All our careful organisation had not paid off, it was getting late, still boiling hot and to make matters worse…. The kids were hungry!!

    There wasn’t much else we could do but to push on towards Tom Goggin Campground which was another 90mins down the road and hope we found something suitable. So we dug a couple of packets of lollies from the emergency supply (Trust me, when you are travelling with kids… this is a vital consideration) and managed to placate a 10 year old, an 8 year old and a 21 month old for another hour and a half. We arrived at Tom Groggin Campground just after 5:30pm and were immediately impressed with the size and location of the campsites (well I was impressed, my wife was just relieved!). In a very short time we had found a shady camp spot away from the main camping area where we were finally able set up the camper.

    Our site was fairly isolated, about 300 meters away from the river and the nearest campers (very important in maintaining camping etiquette when your toddler doesn’t sleep through the night) and 400 meters from the nearest drop toilet (a blessing and a curse! I was forced to do a few early morning drives to the toilet for a child who just wasn’t going to make it in time on their bike!) But still close enough for the kids to make friends with other children at the grounds.

    The temperature sat around 30-35 degrees during the days for our whole trip, but the evenings got down to a pleasant 12-15 degrees which made sleeping easy! Because of the heat we did not go on any of the many hiking trails but mainly spent our days exploring the 4WDing tracks and swimming in the nearby river. The river, which we thought was the Snowy River but later discovered was the Murray River was a bit too shallow to swim in most places but there was a deeper spot adjacent to the main camp area which was popular in the heat of the day. The older kids soon discovered the technique of floating in the current and catching a ride to the deeper calmer waters of the swimming hole. This resulted in many bruises as the bottom of the river is rocky not sandy but was also a lot of fun.

    One of our favourite things to do whilst camping, is pack a lunch, jump in the 4WD and head off exploring for the day. Tom Groggin turned out to be an ideal base for this activity. It is quite literally surrounded by 4WD tracks which range from easy to fairly difficult. Unfortunately the main drawcard, the Davies Plains Track was closed but we were able to get pretty far up the Mount Pinnibar track before needing to turn back due to low fuel (Something we neglected to consider). The Mount Pinnibar track (or Mt Peanut Butter track as it was soon named by the kids) was pretty steep in places and I ended up staying in Low-Range for the majority of the time. It was also a popular alternative to the closed Davies Plains track and was quite slippery in places due to the dry conditions and many 4WDs accessing the track. This is a track that we will definitely be heading back to complete.

    The Tom Groggin Track wasn’t quite as intense as the Mt Pinnibar but afforded us with some spectacular views of the snowy mountains and some great pictures. We spent a few hours on this track until needing to turn back as it is not a loop track. A passing 4WDer told us that the Mt Anderson track links the Tom Groggin and the Mt Pinnibar tracks to form a loop but we had run out of time to complete that particular journey and decided it was wiser to turn back.

    Overall it was a great trip even though it started off a bit stressful (our trips usually do). We are keen to visit Tom Groggin again and hit the 4WD trails again!
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  • old Jack
    Regular
    • Jun 2011
    • 11606
    • Adelaide, South Australia.

    #2
    Yes Tom Groggin is a great campsite, I had morning tea there a few years ago on the way back from a Snowy's Hydro Reunion in Cooma, and was most impressed by the almost empty but fantastic campsite. I also took a detour on the Geehi Wall loop track via Major Clews Hut on the way out heading west, easy to medium 4wd track, great scenery and an important part of the Snowy's history. Plan is to head back that way next December before Christmas to avoid the crowds and the man eating flies that take over in January.

    OJ.
    Last edited by old Jack; 01-02-17, 10:03 PM. Reason: Spelling correction
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    • Vix2010
      Senior Member
      • Jan 2015
      • 255
      • Wamboin NSW

      #3
      Originally posted by old Jack View Post
      Yes Tom Groggin is a great campsite, I had morning tea there a few years ago on the way back from a Snowy's Hydro Reunion in Coma, and was most impressed by the almost empty but fantastic campsite. I also took a detour on the Geehi Wall loop track via Major Clues Hut on the way out heading west, easy to medium 4wd track, great scenery and an important part of the Snowy's history. Plan is to head back that way next December before Christmas to avoid the crowds and the man eating flies take over in January.

      OJ.
      The Snowy Hydro is amazing the work that was done over the years, I have alot of family from my Dad's side from Jindabyne and my aunty who is still living there. From her living room window you can sometimes see the top of the church poking out from the lake from the old Jindabyne town.
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      • Ian H
        Valued Member
        • May 2015
        • 2496
        • Melbourne

        #4
        Originally posted by Vix2010 View Post
        The Snowy Hydro is amazing the work that was done over the years, .
        It certainly is but imagine if it was proposed today. It would never get through all the red/green tape. Luckily, those before us had more sense and it was built.
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        • old Jack
          Regular
          • Jun 2011
          • 11606
          • Adelaide, South Australia.

          #5
          Originally posted by Ian H View Post
          It certainly is but imagine if it was proposed today. It would never get through all the red/green tape. Luckily, those before us had more sense and it was built.
          Totally agree, it was a the first major infrastructure projects that provided for the future. Further more it has not been left to deteriorate and become out of date, constant upgrades and modern technology make this almost 70 year old installation state of the art. If only we and our elected members could have such vision and commitment, I am sure we could achieve something of the same magnitude again. It was also built by a hugely diverse and multicultural workforce from all over the world, many were refugees from World War 2.

          OJ.
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          • gringo
            Senior Member
            • Jun 2009
            • 310
            • Harrington Park (Sydney)

            #6
            Love the post mate ......thank you

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            • erad
              Valued Member
              • Mar 2015
              • 5067
              • Cooma NSW

              #7
              Originally posted by old Jack View Post
              Totally agree, it was a the first major infrastructure projects that provided for the future. Further more it has not been left to deteriorate and become out of date, constant upgrades and modern technology make this almost 70 year old installation state of the art. If only we and our elected members could have such vision and commitment, I am sure we could achieve something of the same magnitude again. It was also built by a hugely diverse and multicultural workforce from all over the world, many were refugees from World War 2.

              OJ.
              I have lived in Cooma for nearly 51 years now. Tom Groggin is virtually my backyard. Even after all this time, I am still overawed by the grandeur of the place the whole of the Snowies, not just Tom Groggin. I used to cross over the mountains 2 or 3 times per week for work, winter and summer, but I never tired of the task. Work was not a chore - it was a pleasure. One Contractor who was doing some major work for us even said to me that I should pay the Snowy to work there, not the other way... So much history in the area. I still love it all.

              As for the multicultural aspects, it was amazing. There were German foremen leading British workers and vice versa. There were Italians, greeks, - you name it and they were all there for a common goal - to build the scheme. The only troublemakers were the Yugoslavs and Croats. They carried on their wars from Europe and continued them here. The Snowy was a major triumph of man over nature and also of blending differing races together. It is a pity that the current immigrants don't assimilate in the same manner.

              You stayed at Tom Groggin. In my book, an even better site would have been Geehi Airstrip, but I guess that would have been relatively crowded at the time. I am almost teary eyed thinking about my times in this area. More people should see it to appreciate it. No, on second thoughts, stay away, leave me alone in my wilderness....

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              • Vix2010
                Senior Member
                • Jan 2015
                • 255
                • Wamboin NSW

                #8
                As we headed down to Khancoban we wanted to visit the Murray 1 Visitor's center but the entrance gates were shut. Was a shame but makes me want to go there even more now
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                • erad
                  Valued Member
                  • Mar 2015
                  • 5067
                  • Cooma NSW

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Vix2010 View Post
                  As we headed down to Khancoban we wanted to visit the Murray 1 Visitor's center but the entrance gates were shut. Was a shame but makes me want to go there even more now

                  Murray 1 Power Station Visitor's Centre is closed whilst they are doing upgrades of the turbines. This should go on for quite a while because there are 10 machines to do. Murray 2 Power Station was open for a while - not sure if it still is. If you are interested, call Snowy Hydro in Cooma (02) 6453 2888 an ask if any of the visitor centres are open. What is the best is if you can get inside a power station, not just the display shed outside. The best is Tumut 3, near Talbingo. The pipelines coming into the station are 5.5 m diameter. Standing beside them makes you feel very small indeed. The visitor's centre in Cooma is open nearly every day, and has some very good displays and information, along with films. They also have excellent coffee...

                  Cabramurra township has a cafe (for another few months at least) which serves basic cooked meals at a very reasonable price. This is also the mess for the personnel who live there. They also have a coffee shop cum visitors centre there with displays and information about the scheme. It makes a nice day out to do aa run up to Cabra and have lunch there. Snowy Hydro is looking to move all personnel out of the town, so I am not sure of the future of the mess facilities and also the coffee shop..

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                  • Vix2010
                    Senior Member
                    • Jan 2015
                    • 255
                    • Wamboin NSW

                    #10
                    Originally posted by erad View Post
                    Murray 1 Power Station Visitor's Centre is closed whilst they are doing upgrades of the turbines. This should go on for quite a while because there are 10 machines to do. Murray 2 Power Station was open for a while - not sure if it still is. If you are interested, call Snowy Hydro in Cooma (02) 6453 2888 an ask if any of the visitor centres are open. What is the best is if you can get inside a power station, not just the display shed outside. The best is Tumut 3, near Talbingo. The pipelines coming into the station are 5.5 m diameter. Standing beside them makes you feel very small indeed. The visitor's centre in Cooma is open nearly every day, and has some very good displays and information, along with films. They also have excellent coffee...

                    Cabramurra township has a cafe (for another few months at least) which serves basic cooked meals at a very reasonable price. This is also the mess for the personnel who live there. They also have a coffee shop cum visitors centre there with displays and information about the scheme. It makes a nice day out to do aa run up to Cabra and have lunch there. Snowy Hydro is looking to move all personnel out of the town, so I am not sure of the future of the mess facilities and also the coffee shop..
                    Thanks erad, sounds awsome. So keen to go and check it out, need to get a spare weekend and go. My two older kids would love looking at the pipelines
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                    • erad
                      Valued Member
                      • Mar 2015
                      • 5067
                      • Cooma NSW

                      #11
                      Just for interest sake, the pipelines at Murray 1 are 3.2 m and 4.2 m diameter. The 4.2 m pipes each feed 4 machines. Originally, Murray 1 was meant to have only 8 machines, but as the station and tunnels were being built, a decision was made to increase the station to 10 machines, hence the smaller pipeline. If you get to Murray 2, the pipelines there are also 4.2 m diameter.

                      The pipes are painted white. This brings a lot of criticism from the greenies because they stick out like a dogs balls, but there is a reason. At Guthega, they have 2 pipelines. They were painted inside with coal tar enamel. Originally they were painted grey on the outside and when the pipeline was emptied for inspection, the coal tar was melting in the sun and dripping on the inspectors. Obviously, the paint at the top of teh pipes would be thinner that is should have been as well. They painted the pipes white and got a significant reduction in internal temperatures when the pipes are emptied for inspection. Normally, they are lept full.

                      At Tumut 3, the pipes are 5.5 m diameter. To give you an idea of size, when they were building the pipes, they put a double decker bus with a mini minor on its roof and drove it into one of the pipes. There was still room to spare. These pipes are small compared to Wivenhoe, near Brisbane. The pipes there are 8.5 m diameter. After reading and absorbing all this, you will now live 10 years longer....

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                      • artuo
                        Member
                        • Sep 2014
                        • 70
                        • Central Coast NSW

                        #12
                        We were down at Geehi over Christmas / NYE this year and did a trip into Khancoban for some supplies (and get out of the rain for a bit). We stopped off at the Murray 1 viewing area on the way through and checked out the pipes coming down from the mountain - very impressive.
                        We also wanted to head up to Geehi Dam to check out the glory hole but the road was closed due to the wet weather.
                        Can you still get all the way to the dam? Ive seen a few youtube videos of skateboarders taking on the 'Pothole'

                        Interesting info there erad, it must be an impressive sight standing right next to one of the pipes or even in one. My family, mates and i shake our heads everytime we head down there and see the infrastructure that was built. Wont do infrastructure like that these days.
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                        • erad
                          Valued Member
                          • Mar 2015
                          • 5067
                          • Cooma NSW

                          #13
                          As far as I know, you can still drive up to Geehi Dam, but wit the current security concerns, who knows? Best to phone Snowy Hydro and ask. As for skateboarding in the Glory Hole, I have never walked up to it so I don't know if it possible. I strongly doubt that you could get access to it but who knows? One slip, and it is more than a long way down.... I used to ride my bike around the fountain at the old Snowy Head Office - until the security officer saw us and turned the fountain on... But that was only a little concrete dish.

                          An example of balls or stupidity - Tooma Dam spillway. If you have been on the Cabramurra to Khancoban road, you will have crossed it. Apparently some guy went over the spillway in a kayak when it was running a banker. It is a LONG way down and there are some big concrete splitter blocks at the base of the chute.

                          I took a phonecall one lunchtime from an advertising agency in Sydney. They were looking for a vertical wall for someone to forward abseil down. I told them about Tumut Pond Dam - a concrete arch dam about 85 m high. That got their attention. I told them to approach management, never dreaming that they would get approval. But they did, and they made an ad for Snickers or something. Subsequent to that, there was a TV show which dared people to do outrageous things, and Tumut Pond apparently appeared in that as well. I never saw either of them on TV. If you drive over Tumut Pond, stop and have a look down from the lookout - it is awesome. I have been over the edge in a mancage, lowered down to the bottom. It is a long way down.

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                          • Vix2010
                            Senior Member
                            • Jan 2015
                            • 255
                            • Wamboin NSW

                            #14
                            Does anyone know if there is any docos on the snowy mountain hydro scheme?
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                            • old Jack
                              Regular
                              • Jun 2011
                              • 11606
                              • Adelaide, South Australia.

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Vix2010 View Post
                              Does anyone know if there is any docos on the snowy mountain hydro scheme?
                              A few that I found online, but have not watched.










                              OJ.
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