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02 NM Pajero GLS
For some time I have been having wet floor issues on the passengers side. This is not a heater core/air conditioner leak. It happens even when the car is not used. It can be replicated with a garden hose. After rain I have been finding up to 3/4 inch in the passengers footwell. I previously removed the carpet after a camping trip when it got wet and fortunately have not put it back yet.
Deductions/actions so far: windscreen removed and resealed, glass guy claims that the seal was fine, but it has been redone anyway. (Rained 2 days later, wet floor).
Removed headlining to check rivets for Rhino Rack track, all in place, tight and dry. A friend gave it the water torture test whilst I was in the car looking/feeling for leaks. Nothing from the roof, but water inside passengers door at the bottom (leaking from under door trim). Google searches reveal that the main culprit appears to be the front left door, somehow letting water leak onto the scuff plate, then run across to the floor. This is exactly what I found. I looked for this, and noticed a few drops of water between the door trim and the steel of the door. there was a small puddle forming on the scuff plate. Given consistent rain, bingo, wet floor. Water stains on the scuff plate reveal that this has happened previously.
The outer window glass seal consists of two parts, the main rubber seal that you can see, and a secondary seal about 1/2 inch lower, this appears to wipe the glass. My outer seal is fractionally away from the glass at the front for about the first inch. There is a dirt buildup there as well. The rubber is quite hard as well. The lower, secondary seal was saturated.
I removed the door trim, and there was water in unexpected places. It appeared to be getting past the outer window seal, which is fine, they put drain holes in the bottom of the door to handle this. They by the way are all clear. BUT, I somehow had water on parts that should have been dry. With the window up, even with a leaking outer glass seal, there should not have been water on the electric window winder motor, on the wiring for the window winder switch (where if comes from the inside of the door cavity through to the cabin side of the door skin), on the rear of the speaker (fortunately it has the deflector in place). This is where it was exiting the door in a downward direction, running down the liner plastic, under the trim and onto the sill. I think the wiring is somehow transferring the water to the cabin side of the door. But there should be no water on the wiring.
As the man with bad hair said, "Why is this so?"
Replacing the window outer rubber may fix part of the problem, but not the underlying one of the water being in the wrong place.
I have already replaced one window winder motor in that door, now I know why it was rusty and siezed!
Has anyone come up with a reliable fix for this? I am not interested in cutting vee notches in door rubbers to let it drain, I will loose my wading ability then.
As far as logic dictates, there should be no way/reason for it to wick from the outside of the glass to the inside of the door panel. It should just drop to the bottom and exit the drain holes.
02 NM Pajero GLS
For some time I have been having wet floor issues on the passengers side. This is not a heater core/air conditioner leak. It happens even when the car is not used. It can be replicated with a garden hose. After rain I have been finding up to 3/4 inch in the passengers footwell. I previously removed the carpet after a camping trip when it got wet and fortunately have not put it back yet.
Deductions/actions so far: windscreen removed and resealed, glass guy claims that the seal was fine, but it has been redone anyway. (Rained 2 days later, wet floor).
Removed headlining to check rivets for Rhino Rack track, all in place, tight and dry. A friend gave it the water torture test whilst I was in the car looking/feeling for leaks. Nothing from the roof, but water inside passengers door at the bottom (leaking from under door trim). Google searches reveal that the main culprit appears to be the front left door, somehow letting water leak onto the scuff plate, then run across to the floor. This is exactly what I found. I looked for this, and noticed a few drops of water between the door trim and the steel of the door. there was a small puddle forming on the scuff plate. Given consistent rain, bingo, wet floor. Water stains on the scuff plate reveal that this has happened previously.
The outer window glass seal consists of two parts, the main rubber seal that you can see, and a secondary seal about 1/2 inch lower, this appears to wipe the glass. My outer seal is fractionally away from the glass at the front for about the first inch. There is a dirt buildup there as well. The rubber is quite hard as well. The lower, secondary seal was saturated.
I removed the door trim, and there was water in unexpected places. It appeared to be getting past the outer window seal, which is fine, they put drain holes in the bottom of the door to handle this. They by the way are all clear. BUT, I somehow had water on parts that should have been dry. With the window up, even with a leaking outer glass seal, there should not have been water on the electric window winder motor, on the wiring for the window winder switch (where if comes from the inside of the door cavity through to the cabin side of the door skin), on the rear of the speaker (fortunately it has the deflector in place). This is where it was exiting the door in a downward direction, running down the liner plastic, under the trim and onto the sill. I think the wiring is somehow transferring the water to the cabin side of the door. But there should be no water on the wiring.
As the man with bad hair said, "Why is this so?"
Replacing the window outer rubber may fix part of the problem, but not the underlying one of the water being in the wrong place.
I have already replaced one window winder motor in that door, now I know why it was rusty and siezed!
Has anyone come up with a reliable fix for this? I am not interested in cutting vee notches in door rubbers to let it drain, I will loose my wading ability then.
As far as logic dictates, there should be no way/reason for it to wick from the outside of the glass to the inside of the door panel. It should just drop to the bottom and exit the drain holes.
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