2022 Pajero Sport QG? and Triton Hybrid

[nvll.mrrs]

Wheel hub motors can be stepping motors like used in FP smart washing machine motors as used by NASA also.

I have been saying for years the a recording of a v8 or say a Ferrari played through external speakers on EVs would be a seller and would warn pedestrians of their approach. I like your thinking re throttle response is a good idea too. A relatively easy technical fix.

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[Merts]

Seems we are both right? Though how something can be called a CTV when it only has one gear is beyond me.

How many speeds does the PHEV have?

Equipped with a@*$#Mitsubishi CVT transmission, this@*$#Outlander PHEV@*$#will have@*$#only one speed. The manufacturer did not want to equip this hybrid SUV with simulated ratios like the other models.

This link is good with a photo of the CVT?

https://www.greencarcongress.com/2013/09/20130911-gkn.html

It appears the petrol engine only drives the wheels through the 1 gear CVT[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23] when very specific conditions are met.

C constant
V variable
T transmission
1 out of 3 ain't bad I guess

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You have the wrong end of the stick about CVTs.
CVT stands for "continuously variable transmission", not "constant variable transmission".

Saying it's one gear is completely wrong. It's a system that provides infinitely variable gearing (between the upper and lower limits obviously).

Many manufacturers program artificial 'steps' into the way the transmission works to simulate a conventional gearbox, but the mechanicals provide continuously variable gearing.

[nvll.mrrs]

Yep I used the wrong word however the meaning remains the same.
With regard to the MMC PHEV I have not seen one pulled apart so am going by what I Cut and Pasted.

I never intended to misslead anyone about a normal CVT operation.

The original style of CVT I have seen apart. It was on an old scooter my dad was fixing in the early 60s it consisted of two sprung loaded pullies and a rubber fan belt between them. He told me CVT was invented by DAF when they were making cars smaller than a Fiat 500.

I guess I am holding the middle of the stick. [emoji2]

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[Merts]

Yep I used the wrong word however the meaning remains the same.

The meaning isn't the same.

Continuously variable gearing is the exact opposite of constant one gear.

[nvll.mrrs]

Your words not mine

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[Merts]

Your words not mine

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Your words....

Seems we are both right? Though how something can be called a CTV when it only has one gear is beyond me.


It appears the petrol engine only drives the wheels through the 1 gear CVT[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23] when very specific conditions are met.

C constant
V variable
T transmission
1 out of 3 ain't bad I guess"

[nvll.mrrs]

The post was about the transmission of power to the wheels on the Mitsi Outlander PEV. I was not saying CVTs are all one gear. Only this one unusual vehicle. We were talking only about the Outlander PEV.

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[Merts]

The post was about the transmission of power to the wheels on the Mitsi Outlander PEV. I was not saying CVTs are all one gear. Only this one unusual vehicle. We were talking only about the Outlander PEV.

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Yeah, I get that's what you are saying. The issue is there is no such thing as a fixed gear CVT. I can't find anything on the Mitxubishi site that explains exactly how the engine directly drives the wheels in ICE drive mode, but it certainly doesn't say it has a single gear CVT in it.

Edit:
I had a bit more of a read of the link you provided and they describe the transmission as "the GKN Multi-Mode eTransmission". It's not even vaguely like a CVT.

[nvll.mrrs]

You are right and I said clearly the description of it being a CVT is nonsensical if it only has one ration. Perhaps looking at the following you can see why I said what I said. There is no logical reason why these Mitsi dealers keep referring to a PHEV CVT. I am sure I read recently a car reviewer also writting about a PHEV CVT. Unfortunately I can't find the review. However once again too many reviewers seem to have very little idea about what they are writting.

This is the link I had cut and pasted from. Its a Canadian Mitsi dealership by the look of it. Though we can't guarantee anything we find on the internet these days. Its about 1/3 of the way down the page.

https://johnscottimitsubishi.ca/en/2018-outlander-phev/

Also a search of google nz got

On trademe
https//www.trademe.co.nz/2356432002

NZ Mitsi dealers often advertised PHEVs like this

Mitsubishi Outlander VRX 2.0PHEV 4WD CVT 5Dr Wagon. From $286 per week^. Was $67,990 Now $52,990@*$#...

My sacasim is often misinterpreted. [emoji12][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]

I always thought Aussies had a well developed sacastic humour.

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[Merts]

With regard to sarcasm in written words, it's generally not that easy to pick up on, particularly when you take Poe's law into account.

Re dealers and reviewers, a large proportion of them know bugger all about anything even vaguely technical in regard to the vehicles they sell or review.

[nj swb]

Hub motors don't have enough torque for automotive use, and the higher torque designs tend to be speed restricted. Also they increase unsprung weight significantly.

Thanks for that. I was wondering why Mitsubishi's latest electric 4wd concept showed the motors being inboard, still driving the wheels via shafts. I suspected unsprung weight may have been a factor, but didn't consider torque capacity of hub motors.

At the recent 4wd Show in Adelaide I saw HPD's Zed70 - all electric 70 Series. 700Nm motor bolted to the transfer case, so still has high/low, but I did wonder if 700Nm (from zero rpm) would be enough (without 1st gear reduction) for severe off-road use - not that this is their target market. I also overheard something about speed limited to 70 km/h - so I guess there's still a trade-off between having lots of torque at low rpm and enough remaining torque at high rpm.

[Paul NT]

My hybrid Corolla uses a three phase AC motor as do all electric cars including Outlander PHEV. The Outlander PHEV also has a direct single gear mechanical linkage as does the Holden volt, which can engage under heavy acceleration above a certain speed, I'm not sure but perhaps around 40 to 50 km/h.