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  • Dicko1
    Valued Member
    • Dec 2014
    • 7637
    • Cairns, FNQ

    Towing Weights

    Tow Vehicle and Caravan Weight

    by Andrew Woodmansey et al.

    The weight relationship between tow vehicle and caravan is an important one for safe towing.
    To avoid the ‘tail wagging the dog’, it is important that the tow vehicle is at least as heavy as the caravan being towed. If it’s not, the tow vehicle is unlikely to be able to control a caravan should it become unstable when impacted by external forces such as a cross wind, heavy cornering, heavy braking or uneven or slippery road surfaces.
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    How Much Weight Safety Margin Should I Allow?

    There is some debate (and legislation in Germany) on the ideal weight safety margin between tow vehicle and caravan:
    • The conventional wisdom is that the tow vehicle must be at least as heavy as the caravan being towed (i.e. a 1-to-1 ratio between tow vehicle and van weight);
    • In the UK there is the “85% rule”. This is not legislated, but is a recommendation of the Camping and Caravanning Club of the UK and other UK bodies. This recommendation states that the weight of the loaded caravan should be no more than 85% of the car’s kerb weight. However, according to the Camping and Caravanning Club of the UK, ‘those who are experienced at towing may go up to 100 per cent of the car’s kerbweight, but no-one should tow a caravan that is heavier than the towing limit of the vehicle it’s behind’;
    • In Germany, caravans with brakes and hydraulic shock absorbers may not (by legislation) exceed 0.8 times the empty weight of the tow vehicle unless the tow vehicle does not exceed 80 kmph;
    • In Australia, there is no legislation on weight safety margins, but the Caravan Council of Australia suggests that ‘for added safety and peace of mind, the laden tow-vehicle should weigh 30% more than the laden caravan/trailer’ (for the non mathematically minded, this is the same as saying that caravan should not exceed about 77% of the laden weight of the tow vehicle);
    Note that the above relates to the weight relationship between tow vehicle and caravan. There is always legislation in each country on the maximum weights of tow vehicles, caravans and towing combinations.
    From the above you might think that the Caravan Council of Australia is being the most conservative of all these countries in applying a 77% safety margin. But in fact, because the CCA’s recommendations are based on laden weights of the tow vehicle and not the unladen (or kerb) weights, they are in fact the least conservative.
    This can be seen from the following table, which translates these guidelines or regulations into actual weights for eight of Australia’s most popular tow vehicles:
    Comparison of Tow Vehicle & Caravan Weight Relationships

    UK – Recommendations of the Camping and Caravanning Club of the UK (relates to tow vehicle kerb weight)
    Germany – Federal Legislation for caravans with brakes and shock absorbers (relates to tow vehicle kerb weight)
    Australia – Recommendations of the Caravan Council of Australia (relates to tow vehicle GVM)
    Kerb Weight – the unladen weight of the tow vehicle without occupants or payload
    GVM (Gross Vehicle Mass) – the maximum permissible laden mass of the tow vehicle including occupants and any weight applied to the towball
    ATM (Aggregate Trailer Mass) – The maximum allowable laden weight of the caravan as assessed by the manufacturer

    What is noteworthy from this table is that the recommended (or legislated) maximum caravan weight is significantly lower in all cases than the maximum towing capacities of each tow vehicle (which ranges from 3200 kg to 3500 kg for the vehicles above).
    In just the same way as tyre manufacturers stipulate maximum speeds for their tyres (sometimes 300 km/h for normal road tyres), maximum towing capacities are mechanically derived maximums, beyond which things start to fall apart. They are not intended to be fully exploited by the typical user, and especially not the novice user.
    So don’t treat the maximum towing capacity of your tow vehicle like an airline luggage allowance (‘it’s there to be used’). Treat it instead as the extreme limit of your towing universe, and stay well within its boundaries.
    Dicko. FNQ

    2014 NW with all the usual stuff plus more.

    TIME....1000 times more valuable than money
  • BruceandBobbi
    Valued Member
    • Aug 2016
    • 3255
    • Greater Sydney

    #2
    Dodge Ram. This is an Australian road test here in OZ

    On the road the Ram is a big surprise. It has a smooth, comfortable ride, well-weighted steering for a vehicle of its size, effortless power and the biggest surprise is how quiet and refined it feels. Weighing in at 3577kg, the 4x4 Ram Laramie is a big boy but this is where its weight and the massive 6.7-litre Cummins turbo diesel reward you for towing. When the vehicle is fitted with a Pintle type attachment, the Ram 2500 can tow a hefty 6989kg. With a 70mm tow ball its capacity is reduced to 4500kg and 3500kg with the standard 50mm tow ball. The Gross Combined Mass when using a Pintle attachment is a whopping 11,479kg. That certainly makes it the ultimate towing machine!

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    • Hatto
      Valued Member
      • Nov 2013
      • 1208
      • Mandurah WA

      #3
      So the dodge ram is said to be able to tow almost double it's weight!
      Cheers, Hatto

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      • Ian H
        Valued Member
        • May 2015
        • 2496
        • Melbourne

        #4
        Originally posted by 0415discog View Post
        So the dodge ram is said to be able to tow almost double it's weight!
        At that point it's no longer towing, it's being pushed along.
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        • BruceandBobbi
          Valued Member
          • Aug 2016
          • 3255
          • Greater Sydney

          #5
          Originally posted by 0415discog View Post
          So the dodge ram is said to be able to tow almost double it's weight!


          The 2.5 litre Pajero Sport can allegedly tow 1 1/2 times it's tare weight.

          I would rather tow 6989kg with the Ram than 3,100 with the Sports.
          The 2.5 litre Pajero Sport can allegedly tow 1 1/2 times it's tare weight.

          As for being pushed along. B Doubles or road trains over 50 tonne seem to handle it quite well with a tow vehicle of 9 tonne.

          Yes I know there is a difference and it's horses for courses.

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          • Ian H
            Valued Member
            • May 2015
            • 2496
            • Melbourne

            #6
            Originally posted by BruceandBobbi View Post
            As for being pushed along. B Doubles or road trains over 50 tonne seem to handle it quite well with a tow vehicle of 9 tonne.
            and driven by professionals. There's a big difference.

            There are so many illegal rigs out there it's scary....as in this pic I took of an idiot in Birdsville last year. I tried to politely suggest he had a problem but the answer was that they were fine, been towing for years !
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            Last edited by Ian H; 18-06-18, 07:16 PM.
            2015 NX GLS, Factory alloy bar, Kings HD Springs & Koni Shocks with 50mm lift, MM Auto Mate, Paddle shift kit, dual batteries with Redarc DC/DC, LRA 58L tank, Safari snorkel, Boo's bash plates (full set), 17" steels with BFG KO2's, Drifta drawers with slide, TPMS, Uniden UH8080S, Alpine iLX-702D head unit.

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            • BruceandBobbi
              Valued Member
              • Aug 2016
              • 3255
              • Greater Sydney

              #7
              Originally posted by Ian H View Post
              and driven by professionals. There's a big difference.

              There are so many illegal rigs out there it's scary....as in this pic I took of an idiot in Birdsville last year. I tried to politely suggest he had a problem but the answer was that they were fine, been towing for years !

              Holey . what an idiot.

              I agree with "there's a big difference" mate. I once saw a company giving lessons to drivers with their first caravans in a huge empty carpark Bloody scary to watch.


              I was a professional driver many years ago before B doubles etc. Drove towing 36 feet bogie flat top trailers with rolls of newsprint and bogie tip over axle trailers with sand and blue metal to concrete batching plants. Towed caravans intrastate.

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              • Keithyv
                Valued Member
                • May 2018
                • 1370
                • Perth

                #8
                You think that's bad!
                This is beyond belief..

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                • Ian H
                  Valued Member
                  • May 2015
                  • 2496
                  • Melbourne

                  #9
                  That's just hard to believe.
                  2015 NX GLS, Factory alloy bar, Kings HD Springs & Koni Shocks with 50mm lift, MM Auto Mate, Paddle shift kit, dual batteries with Redarc DC/DC, LRA 58L tank, Safari snorkel, Boo's bash plates (full set), 17" steels with BFG KO2's, Drifta drawers with slide, TPMS, Uniden UH8080S, Alpine iLX-702D head unit.

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                  • Dicko1
                    Valued Member
                    • Dec 2014
                    • 7637
                    • Cairns, FNQ

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Keithyv View Post
                    You think that's bad!
                    This is beyond belief..

                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0hnTSNQfck



                    Nah...all good. Driver has a $300 meth habit and probably didn't even realise he was driving!!!!
                    Dicko. FNQ

                    2014 NW with all the usual stuff plus more.

                    TIME....1000 times more valuable than money

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                    • nj swb
                      Resident
                      • Jun 2007
                      • 7332
                      • Adelaide

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Keithyv View Post
                      You think that's bad!
                      This is beyond belief..

                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0hnTSNQfck
                      The weighbridge said the trailer was over the axle limit, so he took the weight off the axle.
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                      • Peterng
                        Valued Member
                        • Jun 2013
                        • 784
                        • Northern Rivers NSW

                        #12
                        This is picture shows an issue that is starting to become all too familiar at present..the vans being too big for the tow vehicle...yet again, it's the tail wagging the dog!!!

                        An 8 mtr long, 3 meter high- 3100kg caravan V's a 5 meter long - 1.75 meter high, 2200kg dual Cab ute...

                        When things go wrong with this type of set up, it all ends up in tears with plenty of finger pointing, lots of yelling and drained bank accounts.

                        PS..The occupants escaped unhurt, but quiet shocked.

                        Last edited by Peterng; 09-07-18, 07:08 PM.

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