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  • The Commodore
    Valued Member
    • Nov 2009
    • 690
    • Macarthur Region NSW.

    #46
    Originally posted by Scrambler View Post
    I suspect this reflects the difference between what is required to GET a Roadworthy and whether a car IS roadworthy in an accident. The removal issue is potentially live even if the removal doesn't cause the accident but does cause injury. For example you remove seats but have people in the cargo space.

    But I really can't see how it would be an issue with usual activity. Just don't try putting someone in the removed seat space!

    When getting a Roadworthy though you need all seats in the car otherwise the seating on the system and the actual seating in your car won't match.

    And that depends on how alert the inspector is.
    Our NT third row seats were removed from day one and inspected for the last 3 or four years we had it but not a word was mentioned about the missing third row.
    I guess it all comes down to if push comes to shove...............
    Regards.....Keith.

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    • Merts
      Valued Member
      • Nov 2011
      • 1403
      • Bendigo Vic

      #47
      Originally posted by The Commodore View Post
      And that depends on how alert the inspector is.
      Our NT third row seats were removed from day one and inspected for the last 3 or four years we had it but not a word was mentioned about the missing third row.
      I guess it all comes down to if push comes to shove...............
      The difference is that the third row seats in the Paj are designed to be easily removed and replaced. It's not the same situation if you have to unbolt them.
      Merts
      Impulse Blue 2015 MQ Triton GLS Auto

      ARB Summit front & rear bars and side steps, Carryboy canopy and rack, Safari Snorkel, VRS 9500 winch, Gecko 16x7 rims with BFG 245/75r16 KM3s, Uniden 8080s UHF, Darche 270 awning
      Dobinson heavy duty suspension, Harrop rear Elocker, Supertrim Neoprene Seat Covers, Drifta drawers, MSA drop slide, dual battery system and ARB onboard compressor. National Campers Hermit.

      Previously a Gunmetal 2007 NS VRX DiD Auto

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      • grpcbr
        Member
        • Aug 2007
        • 90
        • Adelaide

        #48
        Sport or NX....

        Only did a short test drive in the Sport and NX on Saturday. Sport was first, found it very responsive, easier to drive and quiet. The NX drove like.....the NT, but with what felt like a cheapish steering wheel. Following the drive, have to agree with most comments that the Paj has not really changed and the Sport seems to have that technical advantage. If I were to update the NT, the Sport would be the pick for the moment, no point getting into an NX from an NT....

        Cheers.

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        • Greg Grey Grumbly
          Senior Member
          • Aug 2012
          • 257
          • Brisbane, Southside

          #49
          First Towing With The PS

          Just back from a few days up the Sunshine Coast towing our 2.6T Billabong caravan.

          After my NT Paj I was decided on getting another Paj as I considered the Paj Sport just not up to towing an 18.5 ft dual axle van of that weight with full water tanks. Also had the Bushman fridge and dual battery in the back.

          Although we only did 327 km over the trip it was enough to convince me that this is a very good tow vehicle, mainly I think because the 8 speed auto is simply brilliant.
          Of note:
          * Towing at 100kmh indicated it sits happily locked up in 7th gear on 2000 RPM
          * It will lock up at about 1750 rpm in 8th but it felt it better in 7th
          * All towing was in 4WD High Range which to me felt better balanced
          *The auto seems to incorporate mitsubishi’s version of the M&M LockUp Mate that I had on the NT Paj, it rarely slips and really is more like a clutch less manual
          * The paddle shifters are a delight always ensuring the right gear is at your fingertips
          *economy was really good after mix of 2/3 towing and 1/3 general running around over 327 km it returned 11.89 l/100km measured pump to pump
          * average consumption readout when towing varied between 13.8 to 14.3 l/100km - which was really impressive compared to the NT which typically would have returned 15.5 to17.5 under similar running where I would have maintained above 2500 rpm for that speed(so the PS was much quieter and smoother as well)
          * the other thing I loved is the accessible height of the draw bar where anderson plugs, safety chains and electrician plug are all at a convenient height requiring no bending under the car for hookups - a trudge when touring!
          * Things I missed from the NT - not much but the NT cabin is bigger and the thing I really missed were the fold out rear cargo area windows which I used to leave open for the fridge circulation.

          Overall I was a PS sceptic but am now sold on this as a very acceptable and I might as well say it, a better tug than the NT Paj. I’m loving this package.
          Greg Grey Grumbly

          2018 QE Pajero Sport GLS, Factory Accessories: Alloy Bull Bar, Tow Bar, Underbody Protection, Aftermarket: Uniden CB, Redarc Electric Brake Controller, Bushman Cooler, Rhino Roof Bars; Full Tint, OCAM Extendable Tow Mirrors, Fridge Tie Down Racks, Kickass Battery Box with Projecta DC DC charger, King KCRS-23 with the Peddars 5899 bump stops, Almac Boat Loader, Almac Outboard Slide, Provent catch can, More to come
          Tows a 2015 Billabong Grove 186

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          • dragonjon
            Junior Member
            • Feb 2018
            • 45
            • sunshinecoast

            #50
            I'VE JUST HAD A LOT OF WORK DONE TO MY DIFF AS IN ANOTHER THREAD, AND I ASKED
            SUNSHINE COAST DIFF AND GEAR BOX SPECIALISTS ABOUT TOWING OR DRIVING IN 4WDH
            AND THEY SAID DEFINITELY NOT AS IT PUTS EXTRA STRAIN ON THE DRIVE LINE
            sorry for caps but not going to re-type

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            • nj swb
              Resident
              • Jun 2007
              • 7327
              • Adelaide

              #51
              Originally posted by dragonjon View Post
              I'VE JUST HAD A LOT OF WORK DONE TO MY DIFF AS IN ANOTHER THREAD, AND I ASKED
              SUNSHINE COAST DIFF AND GEAR BOX SPECIALISTS ABOUT TOWING OR DRIVING IN 4WDH
              AND THEY SAID DEFINITELY NOT AS IT PUTS EXTRA STRAIN ON THE DRIVE LINE
              sorry for caps but not going to re-type
              They're idiots who don't understand the Pajero drive train. Ignore them.
              NT Platinum. DiD Auto with 265/70R17 ST Maxx, Lift, Lockers, Lockup Mate, Low range reduction, LRA Aux tank, bull bar, winch, lots of touring stuff. Flappy paddles. MMCS is gone!

              Project: NJ SWB. 285/75R16 ST Maxx, 2" OME suspension, 2" body lift, ARB 110, 120l tank, bullbar, scratches, no major dents. Fully engineered in SA. NW DiD & auto in place - a long way to go....

              Scorpro Explorer Box

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              • dragonjon
                Junior Member
                • Feb 2018
                • 45
                • sunshinecoast

                #52
                Originally posted by nj swb View Post
                They're idiots who don't understand the Pajero drive train. Ignore them.
                why they are specialists in diffs and gear boxes
                Have your transmission, gearbox and diff serviced. We are located in Kunda Park, QLD. Call us today at 07 5476 8911.

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                • Ian H
                  Valued Member
                  • May 2015
                  • 2491
                  • Melbourne

                  #53
                  Hang on, are we talking 4WD with the transfer case locked (centre diff light on) or just 4WD with no centre diff locked (which is actually AWD) ?
                  Because when you type 4WDH, to me that means centre diff locked.

                  I'm assuming that everyone would know not to lock the centre diff on anything other than dirt, sand, snow etc.
                  2015 NX GLS, Factory alloy bar, Kings HD Springs & Koni Shocks with 50mm lift, MM Auto Mate, Paddle shift kit, dual batteries with Redarc DC/DC, LRA 58L tank, Safari snorkel, Boo's bash plates (full set), 17" steels with BFG KO2's, Drifta drawers with slide, TPMS, Uniden UH8080S, Alpine iLX-702D head unit.

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                  • dragonjon
                    Junior Member
                    • Feb 2018
                    • 45
                    • sunshinecoast

                    #54
                    Originally posted by Ian H View Post
                    Hang on, are we talking 4WD with the transfer case locked (centre diff light on) or just 4WD with no centre diff locked (which is actually AWD) ?
                    Because when you type 4WDH, to me that means centre diff locked.

                    I'm assuming that everyone would know not to lock the centre diff on anything other than dirt, sand, snow etc.
                    or just 4WD with no centre diff locked (which is actually AWD)
                    just this

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                    • nj swb
                      Resident
                      • Jun 2007
                      • 7327
                      • Adelaide

                      #55
                      Originally posted by dragonjon View Post
                      why they are specialists in diffs and gear boxes
                      https://www.sunstategearbox.com.au/
                      They're mechanics who know how to strip gearboxes & diffs, and put them back together again. That doesn't mean they understand all that there is to know about stresses and strains on drivetrains in all vehicles on the market.

                      Originally posted by dragonjon View Post
                      or just 4WD with no centre diff locked (which is actually AWD)
                      just this
                      My statement stands.
                      NT Platinum. DiD Auto with 265/70R17 ST Maxx, Lift, Lockers, Lockup Mate, Low range reduction, LRA Aux tank, bull bar, winch, lots of touring stuff. Flappy paddles. MMCS is gone!

                      Project: NJ SWB. 285/75R16 ST Maxx, 2" OME suspension, 2" body lift, ARB 110, 120l tank, bullbar, scratches, no major dents. Fully engineered in SA. NW DiD & auto in place - a long way to go....

                      Scorpro Explorer Box

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                      • pajeromack
                        Valued Member
                        • Jun 2014
                        • 561
                        • NSW

                        #56
                        Originally posted by Greg Grey Grumbly View Post
                        Overall I was a PS sceptic but am now sold on this as a very acceptable and I might as well say it, a better tug than the NT Paj. I’m loving this package.
                        Great to hear yet another positive report on the PS. Only thing missing in those vehicles is a decent fuel tank.

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                        • DID Dash
                          Member
                          • Aug 2016
                          • 207
                          • Australia

                          #57
                          Excellent report GGG. Like you, I am very happy with the Pajero Sport for towing. I am only towing about 1500kg and find 7th gear, sports mode and 4H gives great balance of fuel economy, performance and driving feel. What really surprises me is its ability to hold 8th gear if left in Drive without any noticeable torque converter lock/unlock carry on if left to it's own devices. The Pajero Sport is better at towing than my previous Challenger M/T and Pajero NS SWB A/T. I have done a couple of thousand kms towing now. No regrets with my PS.
                          17MY Pajero Sport, Factory Towbar, King Springs KCRS-23/Pedders 5899 Cones, 265/70R17 A/T's for the rough trips.

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                          • koshari
                            Member
                            • Oct 2018
                            • 60
                            • gippsland

                            #58
                            Originally posted by Greg Grey Grumbly View Post

                            And that was it, I was smitten. It’s amazing stepping into a really modern 4WD with 8 speed auto which is a joy, responsive power (it’s power to weight is actually better than Prado or MUX) and handling which seems as good as the Paj, and the quietness and smoothness. .

                            with towing Torque is EVERYTHING, i would have gone the MUX, but having daid that iam still happy with the NT and an ML.

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                            • Greg Grey Grumbly
                              Senior Member
                              • Aug 2012
                              • 257
                              • Brisbane, Southside

                              #59
                              Towing First Impressions

                              Originally posted by koshari View Post
                              with towing Torque is EVERYTHING, i would have gone the MUX, but having daid that iam still happy with the NT and an ML.
                              Yes Koshari, I said the same thing at the dealership when replacing my NT but having now towed with the PS it tows at 100kmh easier (2000 rpm) than the NT (2500 rpm) and quieter. The secret I believe is being able to lay down the torque without transmission losses which the PS 8 speed does beautifully. Don’t get me wrong, with the M&M Lockup Mate I just loved my NT, it’s just that the PS is a much more modern design and it shows.

                              Also from other comments it seems to be some confusion about towing in 4H, Mitsubishi actually recommended 4H for the NT and in the PS owners manual nominate 4H as the basic Super Select configuration (pp 6-28). Towing in 4H is definitely recommended.

                              Greg
                              Greg Grey Grumbly

                              2018 QE Pajero Sport GLS, Factory Accessories: Alloy Bull Bar, Tow Bar, Underbody Protection, Aftermarket: Uniden CB, Redarc Electric Brake Controller, Bushman Cooler, Rhino Roof Bars; Full Tint, OCAM Extendable Tow Mirrors, Fridge Tie Down Racks, Kickass Battery Box with Projecta DC DC charger, King KCRS-23 with the Peddars 5899 bump stops, Almac Boat Loader, Almac Outboard Slide, Provent catch can, More to come
                              Tows a 2015 Billabong Grove 186

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