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Bolted on bits, factory and aftermarket accessories Discussion of after-market extras: winches, bull bars, tow bars (and Towing), roof racks, snorkels, and other cool stuff

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Old 21-01-20
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Default Winch Rings & Soft Shackles

So I bit the bullet and finally got myself a winch. Got a Runva 11XP premium just have to install it now.

But what I am also looking at is the winch rings with soft shackles rather than a snatch block. Anybody use them? brands to avoid, things to look out for, etc...

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These guys are worth a look for soft shackles and snatch rings. I use Gator Jaw soft shackles.

https://www.drifta.com.au/product-category/recovery-gear/

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Any reason for using the ring and soft shackle to replace a snatch block? If the ring end lets go it's still a dangerous projectile, and I thought with it set up right that the weakest part of a set up with snatch block would be the winch cable.

This is a genuine question also, not trying to be argumentative, just reason out loud
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Any reason for using the ring and soft shackle to replace a snatch block? If the ring end lets go it's still a dangerous projectile, and I thought with it set up right that the weakest part of a set up with snatch block would be the winch cable.

This is a genuine question also, not trying to be argumentative, just reason out loud
Purely a weight saving exercise. When you tow a caravan and start adding extra recovery gear it all starts adding up. I've added 30kg to the car with the winch so trying to save weight where I can.
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These guys are worth a look for soft shackles and snatch rings. I use Gator Jaw soft shackles.

https://www.drifta.com.au/product-category/recovery-gear/

Benny.
Thanks Benny. I did look at them and so far seem the best. There are others but either the price is up there or I'm not convinced about the quality (such as on eBay).
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Purely a weight saving exercise. When you tow a caravan and start adding extra recovery gear it all starts adding up. I've added 30kg to the car with the winch so trying to save weight where I can.
Fair enough, cheers
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Any reason for using the ring and soft shackle to replace a snatch block? If the ring end lets go it's still a dangerous projectile, and I thought with it set up right that the weakest part of a set up with snatch block would be the winch cable.

This is a genuine question also, not trying to be argumentative, just reason out loud


Actually the weakest point becomes the anchor for the snatch block / winch ring. Using a pulley halves the load on the winch and cable (2:1 advantage), but the load on the anchor will be double whatever the load is i.e. 3T Paj proper stuck = 6T on the winch anchor point if pulley used.
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Saw a comparison a couple of weeks back between using a snatch block and a ring. The ring was quite a bit less efficient due to friction losses, and actually reduced the effective line pull quite considerably. Will try to find it for you.

Here it is..

Snatch block / Ring comparison
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I've never heard of these "snatch ring" things, and I'm flabbergasted that anybody sells these as a genuine alternative to a proper snatch block for 4wd recoveries.

Anybody who understand the fundamental physics of friction would tell you they're not a good replacement for a proper snatch block.

Anybody selling recovery equipment should have a duty of care to the end user, and should know that these are not a good replacement for a proper snatch block.

Anybody who actually reads specifications of their recovery gear, understands the requirements for choosing an appropriately sized snatch block, and has actually found one, could tell at a glance that the snatch ring is too small. (Most "snatch blocks" sold for 4wd recoveries are too small for most synthetic ropes used on winches. Read the rope specifications.)

Just because a snatch ring works for rigging on a yacht doesn't mean it's suitable for use in a 4wd recovery.

If you're working on the "better than nothing" philosophy, maybe. If you have a proper snatch block, and wonder about carrying a second for those rare occasions when one isn't enough? Maybe.

But the video was clear. Where a proper snatch block reduced line tension by almost 50%, the "snatch ring" struggled to reduce tension by 25%. If you need a snatch block for your recovery, you need a snatch block. A "snatch ring" won't produce the same result.

In an emergency, the bow shackle in the video produced a bigger reduction in line tension than the snatch ring. But it would also do more damage to the rope, both from the tiny bend radius, and the massive heat generation.

So the answer is to carry two snatch rings, do a triple line pull, and achieve almost as much tension reduction as carrying a single snatch block.
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