NL factory tyre options-for legality

[disco stu]

I've got to get blue slip soon so I need to get the tyres right size in order to pass.

Car is an NL Escape

I'm in NSW and the requirement here is 7% increase in diameter without inspection. The wording in VSI 6 only seems to refer to the placard in the car for tyre size, and mine list only on size 235/70 15". To me that calculates out at 28" diameter in stock form. Adding 7% brings me to under 30" (29.9") and the car currently has 32" tyres on it.

What other tyre sizes came out on NL models? Can I use those to base my legal calculations on?

If I am allowed to base my base tyre size on any of the NL models tyre size, should I then ditch the tyre placard to save some clueless cop from only basing decisions on that and not other optioned models of same year?

I'm not wanting to go extreme, I was thinking 31-32" are enough for my needs. Based on gearing I'm thinking smaller might be better, but clearance could be an issue if I go much smaller

Keen to hear thoughts on this. Couldn't find info via searching that answered this

Cheers

Stu

[Alex86]

265/70/16 was the largest standard on the NL range. I’ve based my tyre size on this. I think it’s under a VSB that the increase can be based under “the largest standard on that model”. Or something like that

[disco stu]

Thanks Alex. So that puts the largest factory wheel at 30.6" and largest allowable at 32.7" wiithout inspection. Sound correct?

[disco stu]

Doesn't the local authority (NSW RMS) override the VSB? The vsb says 50mm

It also says in there that if wheels sizes are used from higher performance or difference spec model variant then the same suspension components must be used from the higher spec car. I'm assuming the suspension is the same accross all of the NL variants? I've never been asked if its exceed, GLS etc forr those components

[Alex86]

Interesting one actually.

NSW VSI 6:
“Replacement of tyres that change tyre overall diameter by more than 7% of the overall original diameter*.
* ’overall original diameter’ means the maximum outside diameter of the largest tyre specified by the vehicle’s original manufacturer as an option for the vehicle, as shown on the vehicle’s tyre placard.”

It’d be interesting to argue that, although the 265/70/16 combination isn’t placarded on an NL Escape, it is placarded on the other NL Pajeros, and that an upsize on an Escape based on the 265/70/16 is ok.



VSB14 section LS:
“4.2.4 Overall Nominal Diameter
The overall diameter of any tyre fitted to a passenger car or passenger car derivative must not be more than 15mm larger or 26mm smaller than that of any tyre designated by the vehicle manufacturer for that model.

The overall diameter of any tyre fitted to:
 4WD passenger vehicles specifically designed for off-road use (typically MC ADR category).
..............
Must not be more than 50mm larger or 26mm smaller than that of any tyre designated by the vehicle manufacturer for that vehicle.”


So by VSB, all good. The vehicle is an NL Pajero; doesn’t say anything about what it is actually placarded with.

Which one takes precedence? Not sure. Ask who is going to do your roadworthy!

[disco stu]

Cheers Alex. VSI 6 even says to read it in combination with Vehicle Safety Compliance Certification Scheme Declaration of Modification or Class of Modification Order 2013, and I think both say they are based on VSB 14. Further looking points to VSI 9, which says to refer to VSB...

For information on when a compliance certificate is required (for example fitting replacement tyres that
increase or decrease tyre diameter by more than 7% of the overall original tyre diameter), see VSI No.6
‘Light vehicle modifications’, or Vehicle Standard Bulletin (VSB) No. 14 ‘National Code of Practice for
Light Vehicle Construction and Modification’. Refer to page 7 for information on obtaining a copy

VSB specifically mentions 4wd, VSI6 and 9 don't, so I think VSB is what we are supposed to go by in this case, especially given the above quoted info

Why does government info have to be so damn complicated, it refers you from 6 to 9, and 9 then refers you back to 6 for clarification. It says in VSB that local authority is the determining factor, and the local authority sends us back to VSB. You could put it in one document, but no-we will have people looking back and forth at everything to answer what would be considered a simple question

[disco stu]

The overall diameter of any tyre fitted to a passenger car or passenger car derivative must not
be more than 15mm larger or 26mm smaller than that of any tyre designated by the vehicle
manufacturer for that model.
The overall diameter of any tyre fitted to:
 4WD passenger vehicles specifically designed for off-road use (typically MC ADR
category). All wheel drive (AWD) vehicles including those AWD vehicles that may be
certified as MC ADR category, (also commonly known as soft roaders) are not
included in this category;
 4WD goods vehicles and their 2WD equivalents if the chassis and running gear are
essentially the same as the 4WD version (N ADR category); or
 any medium weight goods vehicle (NA2, NB ADR category).
Must not be more than 50mm larger or 26mm smaller than that of any tyre designated by the
vehicle manufacturer for that vehicle.
Note: Increases in tyre diameter are subject to compliance with all other requirements
specified under this clause (Clause 4.2 Non-Standard Tyres and Rims) and may
therefore be limited by other factors such as insufficient clearance.
Speedometer accuracy must be maintained for the selected tyre and rim combination to within
the degree of accuracy specified in ADR 18 where applicable. It is suggested that the degree of
accuracy is in accordance with the most recent version of ADR18.

I'm tempted to just pinch the tyre placard from another pajero that has the larger tyres listed to save issues, as it doesn't say model range just says "that vehicle"

[old Jack]

I'm tempted to just pinch the tyre placard from another pajero that has the larger tyres listed to save issues, as it doesn't say model range just says "that vehicle"

Why not see if a tyre placard for a GLS or Exceed can be ordered as a spare part?

OJ.

[disco stu]

That's a good idea-didn't even think of something like that

[disco stu]

I'm guessing also that for any variant, you could choose to get the wheels they offered on other variants from the dealer when brand new, would that be correct?

Can anyone tell me a variant that had the larger wheels. I'm going to have to get a vin number to try for placard from dealer. Partsouq have them listed, but you can't purchase

[old Jack]

I'm guessing also that for any variant, you could choose to get the wheels they offered on other variants from the dealer when brand new, would that be correct?

Can anyone tell me a variant that had the larger wheels. I'm going to have to get a vin number to try for placard from dealer. Partsouq have them listed, but you can't purchase

The GLS and the Exceed are listed as having the 265/70R16 tyre's fitted as standard.

OJ.

[disco stu]

Awesome, thanks Jack

[Alex86]

Yep, GLS and Exceed had the 16in rims. I got those for the Escape.

[disco stu]

Thanks all, really helpful.

While on that topic-anyone know what the offset is for the gen 2? I can't seem to find the info after a fair bit of searching and have wondered if wheels from other makes fit

[BruceandBobbi]

Thanks all, really helpful.

While on that topic-anyone know what the offset is for the gen 2? I can't seem to find the info after a fair bit of searching and have wondered if wheels from other makes fit

https://www2.pajeroclub.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=35882