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I'd describe myself as a solo traveller, ie Wifey and two toddlers.

The paj has a winch however we all know it is as useful as flyscreen on a submarine without a suitable anchor point. So looking for thoughts on the technique of winching off a ground anchor.

An online search brings up the usual "boat anchor" like https://www.sherpa4x4.com.au/collect...d-winch-anchor
Con is its weight at 16kg. Price, meh but wouldn't want to be any dearer at listed AUD$269.

There is also a product called the Lan-cor vis http://www.lan-cor.com/
Weighs in at 9kg but price IMO is horrendous at NZ$465.22 plus P&H.

Then I came across the Deadman Offroad, https://www.deadmanoffroad.com/
Versatile as it can anchor not only to the sand but rock and tree as well.

Lightweight and small pack-down. There is a Ronny Dahl Youtube of him trying it as well as a vid on the website.
US$315 on special at the moment for the full kit which includes two soft shackles or you could just go for the Deadman by itself for US$189.95 and buy your own local soft shackles for less. Incidentally the Deadman can still be used with the conventional rated steel shackles Problem with all things Stateside is the killer shipping (plus GST now too ). Website also says its on backorder for another three weeks

My concern with the Lan-cor is encountering hard terrain. Whilst I think it would be fine in sand for the price I'd be after more surety of it being available in other terrains. But then again if the ground is too hard to drive the screw in what is the likelihood that you'd need it anyway?

So any real-life experiences out there with these or anything else?
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Unfortunately there is no one ground anchor that does all soil types and winching conditions.
they range from useless to fantastic, cheap to expensive, light to heavy so it really depends where you do most of your driving in difficult terrain.

When trees or rocks are not conveniently located in the direct line of pull then a winch extension strap between 2 anchor points and winch of the centre section of the strap.


In soft sand then burying your spare tyre and using this as an anchor point works, best buried about 30 degrees off vertical so the top of the wheel is away from the vehicle, the face of the wheel is facing the vehicle and the winch rope is attached to the centre hub of the wheel.


Winching can be a simple quick and easy way out of trouble if it is a forward straight line pull and you have just lost traction but when buried to the floor pan in sand or mud the extraction loads are huge and will stress your recovery gear to failure. Likewise if you are trying to winch over a rock ledge. Always try and make it easier on your winch and sometimes digging is your worse enemy, road building and jacking up individual wheels then back filling or placement of recovery tracks under the wheels is often a better option.

I have done most of my remote off road traveling as a solo vehicle and always had a power winch and on the few occasions I needed it I had to combine other techniques to assist the winch. Now days I just carry a long handle shovel, 2 sets of Maxtraxs, a mechanical screw jack, a scissor jack and long base boards, with these and a bit of time and common sense I can get myself out every situation that I have so far got myself into. However if the High Country or anywhere on the Great Dividing Range was my backyard then I would have a power winch.


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Do a search for Lan-cor on the forum. WA guys did some testing a while ago and were very impressed.
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Ronny Dahl (4 Wheeling in Australia You Tube channel) did a beach test of these some months ago. The sand bag/parachute thing was the best.
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Wow. I like that sand bag/parachute idea. Might have to look into this further. I reckon one could be made for the fraction of that price. 2 equaliser straps with a heavy duty pvc sewn in would do it easy. Due to both the weight and cost, I've been loathe to both carrying and purchasing a sand anchor. This idea fits the bill nicely. It can also be doubled as a damper blanket for snatching.

They even give you the sizing of the blanket: 1200 x 711.

That might not be in the spirit of the game, but it could be a game changer for me.
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So I made some enquiries today. I can get something similar manufactured for about $200. So not a great saving to be had, but $100 is $100 bucks.

And I've since learned Ronnie did test the deadman in feb this year. google ronnie dahl deadman and you'll find it. It worked pretty well in (wet) beach sand.

Also, A mate informs me drifta sell them too, so freight from the states isn't an issue now.
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A Star picket is cheap and cheerful. You may have to leave it behind once recovered if unable to remove from ground.
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A Star picket is cheap and cheerful. You may have to leave it behind once recovered if unable to remove from ground.
And heavy. I'd have to leave some alcohol at home.
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An example is, I stopped carrying a second full spare wheel and tyre assemble about 20 years ago as I had no tyre problems for over 7 years since running LT 10 ply tyres and low tyre pressures. I now carry a spare tyre carcass, tube and plug repair kit, saving the weigh of a wheel rim.
I am interest if the weight and space required of transporting the tools needed (bead breaker, 2/3 tyre levers, rubber mallet, etc) to change remove/replace a tyre and tube to off-set the weight of carrying a full second spare. If you have not needed to use a second spare over the years you have been carrying around the tools needed to fit the tube and tyre. The tools may have taken up more room/weight than just carry a full second spare.
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I am interest if the weight and space required of transporting the tools needed (bead breaker, 2/3 tyre levers, rubber mallet, etc) to change remove/replace a tyre and tube to off-set the weight of carrying a full second spare. If you have not needed to use a second spare over the years you have been carrying around the tools needed to fit the tube and tyre. The tools may have taken up more room/weight than just carry a full second spare.
No. You should have those tools to repair a tyre before you carry a second spare. A second spare is only required if you damage a tyre beyond repair, and effectively end up without a spare.

Carrying a second spare is no substitute for being able to repair a puncture.
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