How effective is the Rear LSD when offroad?

[outback_aussie]

G'Day all,

Just wondering from all you off road 'nuts', how effective is the standard Pajero NM Rear LSD when in off road situations, and hill climbs etc...

I'll be doing a bit of 4x4ing soon, just wondering how good the LSD is so I know whether I'll need a locker or not.

Cheers

[nj swb]

Mitsubishi LSDs are pretty good. The NM has a Torsen style, so no clutch packs to wear out. However, it can become a "free spinner" if one wheel is off the ground, which is when a few clicks on the handbrake can load up the spinning wheel and allow the Torsen to transfer more torque to the grounded wheel.

If you're going to buy a locker, and don't have traction control, put a locker in the front first.

[steveandviv]

I'm with NJ SWB. We have the locker up front and it's magic..

That reminds me, better change the RHF CV - click - click - click

[peter92]

lsd,s are good, but wish i had a front locker
depends on where you go as to how much money you want to spend. ive always got away with out needing one. i know where i can go and where i cant
if you have the money i would get one
regards peter

[Gus]

Agree the rear LSD is a beauty with the ARB air locker up front it will just about go anywhere..

Gus.

[psproule]

The other neat thing with the Torsen LSD is they have no friction plates or cones to wear out like the Toyotas are quite prone to.

[rotare]

Now this thread has got me thinking...... wouldn't it be a good thing to put the rear torsen diff out of a NM, into my NP with traction control? I'm thinking that the NP wouldn't have the torsen because it has traction control. Surely the combination of torsen & TC would be better than TC alone?

Thoughts?

[psproule]

Now this thread has got me thinking...... wouldn't it be a good thing to put the rear torsen diff out of a NM, into my NP with traction control? I'm thinking that the NP wouldn't have the torsen because it has traction control. Surely the combination of torsen & TC would be better than TC alone?

Thoughts?

Yeah, but if you were going to go to that much trouble (as in dismantle it) you may as well put a factory locker in out of an NS or NT wreck.

[rotare]

Yeah, but if you were going to go to that much trouble (as in dismantle it) you may as well put a factory locker in out of an NS or NT wreck.

I guess it would all come down to how much it would cost to source a torsen diff versus a locker. The disassembly / assembly part of it is not an issue for me.

[nj swb]

I guess it would all come down to how much it would cost to source a torsen diff versus a locker. The disassembly / assembly part of it is not an issue for me.

Personally, I'd still lean towards the LSD - unless the factory locker is a hybrid? I like that my LSD is "always on", so I don't need to worry about "should I have it on or off?" as I'm driving tracks. I remember following another shorty with bigger & better tyres (33" BFG Muds vs 31" S/Ts) and a rear diff lock. A few places he was stopped and had to hit the diff-lock, where my LSD just pushed me through.

Now, I generally try it first, and hit the front diff-lock if I don't make it. I rarely use it, but I'm very happy that I have it.

[rotare]

Anyone know what the wreckers want for a NM Torsen diff centre? No doubt there would be plenty available, but anything "4wd" from a wreckers normally cost you a kidney.

[reciprovac]

Great conversation going here,I still cannot determine if my 2006 VRX has a LSD or not,even the dealers do not seem to know.
What I do know is that the traction control gives up the ghost too soon,usually half way up a steep hill at the critical time you need it.
I am now looking at front lockers (Chinese ones now available for $400 US but of course ARB say inferior, see Utube tests) .Have considered the Auto lockers but unfortunately you loose the use of high 4wdrive on the highway,always a compromise.
Does any one know if the NM torsens do fit the 33 spline NP models for sure ?
Regards

[psproule]

Great conversation going here,I still cannot determine if my 2006 VRX has a LSD or not,even the dealers do not seem to know.
What I do know is that the traction control gives up the ghost too soon,usually half way up a steep hill at the critical time you need it.
I am now looking at front lockers (Chinese ones now available for $400 US but of course ARB say inferior, see Utube tests) .Have considered the Auto lockers but unfortunately you loose the use of high 4wdrive on the highway,always a compromise.
Does any one know if the NM torsens do fit the 33 spline NP models for sure ?
Regards

No LSD in your 2006 VRX.

We give our NP a fair caning off-road and have not once overheated the traction control.

[reciprovac]

Traction control

Interesting you have said no problems with traction control overheating.
I suspect there is a major difference between our vehicles,I run A/T tyres what type does your vehicle use?
From your advice it seems a LSD from a wreck may help my problem,but what models would fit the 33 spline on my vehicle?
Any advice appreciated .

[psproule]

Interesting you have said no problems with traction control overheating.
I suspect there is a major difference between our vehicles,I run A/T tyres what type does your vehicle use?
From your advice it seems a LSD from a wreck may help my problem,but what models would fit the 33 spline on my vehicle?
Any advice appreciated .

Just BFG AT's all round aired down according to conditions and a 2" lift. We have climbed many a steep mountain goat track and have lots of sand work under it's belt as well and as I say nary a problem. We tend to take things slow and steady though, which is kind of the opposite of how you had to attack things in our pre Traction Control NM.

Pat