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  • Mcreight911
    Senior Member
    • Jun 2013
    • 317
    • South Burnett, QLD

    #16
    Please admin can we make this a sticky it's very useful for those of us running old school diesels .

    The following is a guide from a reputable diesel tuner to tuning rotary pumps. it should help answer DIY tuning questions.

    And please remember, this is a basic guide only. I will not be going into alot of depth regarding how pumps or injectors work. Just the basics so people can understand what I am talking about.

    At minimum a pyro gauge is recommended. Even exhaust temps on cars with standard tunes can reach dangerous levels if held at full throttle to long or laboured up hills.



    Diesel Injector Pump - Supplies pressure to the injectors at the correct time, to allow them to fire when needed.

    It does this through the compression of the fuel inside by using interference fit components that shrink in size as the pump rotates, forcing fuel through certain passages which increases the pressure the fuel is under.

    Injector Pressure - Injectors have what is called a 'Crack Pressure'
    This is the pressure that the fuel forces the needle/pintle off its seat, and allows fuel to flow through the tip of the injector.
    As the pump continues through its revolution, the provided pressure decreases and the injector will return to a closed state.

    The important parts of the injectors are.
    Body - Nozzle - Pintle - Spring - Shim

    The pressure each injector will fire at depends on one thing alone. How much tension the spring provides on the pintle which is seated against the nozzle.

    We can reduce or increase this tension by adjusting the size of the shim that is underneath the spring. Thicker shims mean more tension, thinner shims mean less tension.

    If we lower the pressure they open at we effectively advance the timing of the injector firing sequence, if we increase it we effectively retard the timing of the injector firing sequence.

    Different cars are built around different injector opening pressures. It is important to have these checked/reset every 90-100K kms due to the spring loosing tension over a period of time.

    How Timing Works on a Non Electric Pump -

    As the pump ramps the pressure up to Crack pressure, the injector will fire. If the pump is rotated one way, this pressure will build up earlier in the stroke, meaning Crack pressure will be achieved earlier than normal resulting in fast or 'advanced timing'

    If we rotate the pump the other way, the crack pressure will build up later in the stoke, resulting in the injector firing later or 'more retarded'

    So it is very important to remember, there is more than one timing adjustment on this style of engine.

    Pump Timing Adjustment
    Injector Pressure Timing Adjustment.


    Both must be set to compliment each other. You can have thicker shims in the injector to increase injection pressure which is good!
    But you must advance the pump up to ensure it is being injected at the correct time.

    Boost Compensators -
    With turbocharged engines we have vastly different amounts of airflow on boost to what we have off boost. A 'Compensator' is designed to modify the pump in a 3D fashion dependant on this extra flow/pressure the turbo provides.
    It does this through a pressure intake port in the top of it, which pushes an internal diaphragm containing the fuel pin down into the pump. This increases the amount of fuel delivered depending on the boost pressure pushing down on it.


    Types of Adjustment -
    These types of pumps have a few adjustments.
    1) Fuel Screw / Main Metering Screw (overall adjustment). Screw with locknut at rear of pump

    2) Compensator No Boost Screw (off boost fueling). Grub screw on top of pump

    3) Compensator Pin Spring Tension (Turbo Spool fueling). Star wheel under diaphragm

    4) Compensator Pin Shims / Max travel shim (Max boost fueling). Spacer around pin under diaphragm

    5) Compensator Pin Rotation (for eccentric pins only) (overall on boost fueling) circular pyramid shaped pin connected to the under side of diaphragm.


    FUEL SCREW
    This adjusts your overall fueling in any pump.
    More or less and by an equal amount through the pumps delivery range.
    If you add here, you gain more at idle all the way through to maximum rpm.
    This is the only adjustment on a non compensated pump. You will see below the downfalls to this on a turbocharged engine.

    The main drawbacks to using just the fuel screw on a turbo engine is it doesnt take into account the extra pressure or flow of turbo adjustments or upgrades.

    Upgrading you turbo and or intercooler, will normally mean more airflow. But not through the whole rpm range.
    Some will provide bucket loads of boost and flow down low, others provide alot more higher in the rev range.

    Its for this reason alone, the fuel screw should be kept as is until more overall fueling is required. Then the compensator should be readjusted to suit this extra flow.

    Standard Non Compensated Pump Fueling on a naturally aspirated diesel

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    Standard Non Compensated Pump Fueling on Turbocharged Engine.

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    Non compensated pump fueling on a turbo engine

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    Fuel Screw tuning on a turbo engine without compensator

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    NO BOOST FUEL - COMPENSATOR
    This is used to adjust the amount of fuel added off boost on a compensated pump.
    It can greatly enhance throttle response by allowing more off boost fuel to be injected.
    This is generally not adjusted on most vehicles, unless significant airflow improvements are made to the engine, which will necessitate in more fueling requirements off boost.

    Standard Tuning with Boost Compensated Pump on Turbo Engine

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    No Boost fuel adjustment

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    Spring Tension Adjustment:

    The spring tension of the pin adjusts how far 'X' amount of boost pushes the compensator pin down. Lower tension means more fuel for the same boost pressure, more tension means less fuel for the same boost pressure.

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    Overall Pin Travel Adjustment / Shim Packs:

    The amount of shims or width of shim underneath the pin increases or reduces how far down into the compensator the pin will travel under full boost conditions.
    More shims/thickness = less full boost fueling
    Less shims/thickness = more full boost fueling

    Fuel Pin Travel Adjustment
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    Fuel Pin Rotation
    Fuel pins are in most cases eccentric. What this means is that on one side they have a steep taper, and on the other a shallow taper.
    With obviously a smooth transition between each on the cylindrical shaft.
    If the taper is steep, the amount of fuel added will be greater.
    If the taper is shallow, the amount of fuel added will be less.

    By turning this pin though 360 degrees of rotation, we go from minimum fueling at 0 degrees, to maximum fueling at 180degrees and back to minimum fueling when we hit 360degrees again. With an equal and progressive amount more/less throughout its rotation.
    This gives us an overall adjustment from 0psi to full psi.


    Fuel Pin Rotation Adjustment:

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    So when you get your pump tuned - Ask the shop, how do they tune it?
    Is it fuel screw? Is it on the compensator? Because there is a big difference to be had in economy and overall power between the two types of tuning.
    2.8 Mk triton, Vnt turbo , front mount intercooler, 2.75" exhaust ,ipf 70w hid spotties, 50w hid projector retro fitted headlights. 2 inch arb/sax lift . 2 inch body lift

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    • Pauly
      Member
      • Feb 2009
      • 242

      #17
      Well I fully rebuilt my 4m40 recently and at the time I did it I also made some of the modifications to have a better responding engine. I must say that now the Pajero feels like a totally different beast. I can actually accelerate up hills in 5th gear now and the cruise control seems happy. On hills that I would drop from 100km/h to 80km/h previously I now stay at 100km/h the whole way up. The mods I did were to first raise the boost from the stock 9psi to 12-13psi, slightly raised the on boost fueling, advanced the timing of the injector pump from 12 degrees BTDC to 7 degrees BTDC and I also fabricated a custom 3 inch dump from the turbo and fitted a full 3 inch exhaust system. So far my EGT's havent gone above 500 degrees and thats about as much fuel as I'm prepared to squirt in there. Currently I get no black smoke even under heavy acceleration and gear changes so I'm happy there. Fuel economy is currently at around 10-11L per 100km but the engine only has about 1300Kms on it. I will keep everyone posted on any changes I have but for now I am extremely happy with the old girls performance.

      Pauly

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      • Pauly
        Member
        • Feb 2009
        • 242

        #18
        Just remembered I still hadn't added photos so here are a few with the dump pipe I made and it fitted up to the engine on the stand
        Attached Files

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        • Tomato
          Junior Member
          • Jul 2013
          • 13
          • Slovakia

          #19
          Guys what do you think about 22 psi boost pressure?
          Can engine hold it for longer time?

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          • Mcreight911
            Senior Member
            • Jun 2013
            • 317
            • South Burnett, QLD

            #20
            The engine will handle it but not with the standard turbo .
            Standard turbo will heat the air so much above 16psi that any power gained from extra boost will be lost because of the hot air. Not to mention the excessive shaft speed, It wouldn't last long . Plus inter-cooling with the standard cooler becomes an issue the more you go over 16psi, heat soak and pressure drop. At 20psi I was getting 2.5 - 3psi pressure drop across the core. The standard setup is best left at 16psi
            2.8 Mk triton, Vnt turbo , front mount intercooler, 2.75" exhaust ,ipf 70w hid spotties, 50w hid projector retro fitted headlights. 2 inch arb/sax lift . 2 inch body lift

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            • Mcreight911
              Senior Member
              • Jun 2013
              • 317
              • South Burnett, QLD

              #21
              Originally posted by Pauly View Post
              Well I fully rebuilt my 4m40 recently and at the time I did it I also made some of the modifications to have a better responding engine. I must say that now the Pajero feels like a totally different beast. I can actually accelerate up hills in 5th gear now and the cruise control seems happy. On hills that I would drop from 100km/h to 80km/h previously I now stay at 100km/h the whole way up. The mods I did were to first raise the boost from the stock 9psi to 12-13psi, slightly raised the on boost fueling, advanced the timing of the injector pump from 12 degrees BTDC to 7 degrees BTDC and I also fabricated a custom 3 inch dump from the turbo and fitted a full 3 inch exhaust system. So far my EGT's havent gone above 500 degrees and thats about as much fuel as I'm prepared to squirt in there. Currently I get no black smoke even under heavy acceleration and gear changes so I'm happy there. Fuel economy is currently at around 10-11L per 100km but the engine only has about 1300Kms on it. I will keep everyone posted on any changes I have but for now I am extremely happy with the old girls performance.

              Pauly
              Pauly have you ever measured egt's pre turbo in the manifold . I do now but never did with the standard turbo. The difference is surprising usually in a bad way. I'm interested to see the results if you do it .
              2.8 Mk triton, Vnt turbo , front mount intercooler, 2.75" exhaust ,ipf 70w hid spotties, 50w hid projector retro fitted headlights. 2 inch arb/sax lift . 2 inch body lift

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              • Pauly
                Member
                • Feb 2009
                • 242

                #22
                If I had another egt gauge I would try it. Might be worth it when I have some spare cash lying around but for now I'm pretty happy to keep the temps where I am. I'd be more interested later this year though as I will be towing the boat a lot again and that really gets the egt's consistently up. Might see if I can pull the probe out of its current mounting and move it to the manifold but knowing the location that might not be easily achieved

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                • Pauly
                  Member
                  • Feb 2009
                  • 242

                  #23
                  Well seeing as though I had to pull the turbo and exhaust manifold out yesterday to fix a leak from the turbo oil drain I took the opportunity to install a new measuring point in the manifold pre-turbo for the egt. Blanked the old one off with a brass plug for now and am running the old gauge in the new location. Guess I'll see how different the temps turn out to be as I have got a pretty good memory where they were sitting on most of the big hills around here. Keep you all posted

                  Pauly

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                  • Sentra_T
                    Junior Member
                    • Dec 2014
                    • 2
                    • Uruguay

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Pauly View Post
                    Well seeing as though I had to pull the turbo and exhaust manifold out yesterday to fix a leak from the turbo oil drain I took the opportunity to install a new measuring point in the manifold pre-turbo for the egt. Blanked the old one off with a brass plug for now and am running the old gauge in the new location. Guess I'll see how different the temps turn out to be as I have got a pretty good memory where they were sitting on most of the big hills around here. Keep you all posted

                    Pauly

                    Hi there! Im about to install a new EGT probe I just bought but im not sure which is the best location. Any recomendation?
                    I guess pre turbo will give me more acurate numbers but its harder to make a hole and weld on the cast iron manifold than in the dump pipe.
                    THanks!

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                    • tin
                      Junior Member
                      • Jan 2015
                      • 36
                      • Canada

                      #25
                      The best location is pre-turbo in the manifold, preferably right where all four exhaust channels meet and go into the turbo. The temps will be the highest here. Post turbo is not reliable because every turbo eats lost of heat, and every setup is different. Your readings will be about 200C lower here. Also there is not need to weld, just drill and tap a thread. As a compromise it could be installed in the EGR exit at cylinder 4, but the temps will be a bit lower as the reading is from only one cylinder.

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                      • Pauly
                        Member
                        • Feb 2009
                        • 242

                        #26
                        Make sure if you do anything you remove the turbo first!!!! That metal swarf will destroy the turbo if it gets in the vanes..

                        Also I mig welded onto the manifold quite easily so it can be done.

                        Good luck,
                        Pauly

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                        • tin
                          Junior Member
                          • Jan 2015
                          • 36
                          • Canada

                          #27
                          Yes, thank you for for that addition the turbo must stay free of any debris.

                          Good to know that you were able to weld to the manifold, I am planning on welding a flange for a different turbo to it and it's good to know that the cast iron is easy to weld. Typically cast iron is a pain and can crack easily...

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                          • Jonos
                            Junior Member
                            • Nov 2013
                            • 35
                            • New Zealand

                            #28
                            Hey guys. My 1997 pajero runs a 4m40 with a Mikuni Electronic fuel pump. I am looking to to a slight boost increase and tune, but just not sure if the electronic pump is able to be adjusted?

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                            • Dongskie2
                              Member
                              • Dec 2016
                              • 170
                              • Manila & Berwick

                              #29
                              Great read!

                              Would love to learn more 4M40 tuning as I have an all stock engine
                              Nothing beats Doing It Yourself.... Tuned 4M40 and 4D56T WIP

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                              • TimTams
                                Member
                                • Apr 2012
                                • 244
                                • Melbourne

                                #30
                                g'day,

                                any chance of moving the photos over to imgur.com or another hosting service?
                                '95 LWB Pajero NJ 2.8TD Manual

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