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nj swb 20-10-16 04:42 PM

Another solution for NS - NX wheel bag
 
As many are aware, the frame around the NS - NX centrally mounted spare wheel interferes with fitment of a bag on the spare wheel. I had some ideas for a solution that I was idly discussing with old Jack when he pointed out the blindingly obvious solution, and I set to work.

(Some time later, twisted32 mentioned the same idea - so both he & OJ are cleverer than I am, which some would argue is not really that hard. :p)

After a little trial & error (with thanks to my 3D printer - it's a great toy :D) I had something ready to take on a recent trip down Googs Track, and subsequent exploring of the region.

http://scorpro.com.au/images/Bag_Fra...smtbv92sq1.jpg

http://scorpro.com.au/images/Bag_Fra...sfqjswxam1.jpg

Essentially, it's two pieces of lasercut & folded sheet metal, with some nuts welded to strategic places, to space the wheel cover out from the wheel. It is still hinged on one side, and still retained by the standard bolts on the other side. It can be removed and the cover restored to factory in a few minutes (it's easier to install & remove if the spare wheel is also removed).

Mine only spaces the cover out by 125mm, as this allowed minimal messing around with the wiring for the fog light & camera. This distance is workable, but a little more space would be nice. With a little more installation effort (and probably a few extra wiring clips for installation kit) 150mm should be readily achievable. A variant could also be built to lift the frame to match a spare wheel lift - that would require a little more development to work out how much distance can be achieved with how much effort, and I'm struggling to imagine how the cosmetic trim pieces would look.

I'm running 265/70R17 (one "step" up from stock), and this only just fits - a couple of wiring clips are pressing against the rubber tyre. The wheel lift kit actually helps a little in this respect. A bigger tyre is out of the question.

The plastic pieces are cosmetic only, and mine are held in place in a very dodgy manner. More development is required. Of course, the NX plastic is different from the earlier models - why would anything be too easy?

My bag is a Dune brand bag from Anaconda, which was listed at $80; I think I got it for $70 by handing over my email address. I have no reason to doubt other bags would also work.

Aside from one of the cosmetic trim pieces falling off on some corrugations (retrieved & duct taped in place, where it still remains) the prototype worked well. It has also survived at 2900km round trip to Sydney & back, but given that was all bitumen, there's no great surprise there.

So, I have something that works for me, although it has room for improvement. Is this of interest to others - should I keep working on it?

Note that I believe this is not strictly compliant with ADRs, because of Australia's unique requirement for rear lights on both sides to be visible from significant angles - these should be considered "for off-road use only". ;)

At this stage, if I keep going, I'm guessing a sell price would be somewhere between $100 & $200 with cosmetic trim included. Excluding the cosmetic trim, I think I could sell the metalwork for under $100, but it really does look strange.

arpencrous 20-10-16 05:21 PM

:clap2[1]:Brilliant!

twisted32 20-10-16 06:27 PM

Yeah I am keen if it helps get things rolling

my.paj 20-10-16 07:47 PM

Well done :clap2[1]:

sharkcaver 20-10-16 08:46 PM

The dreaded rear wheel bags on the gen 4 are a pain. Top marks for coming up with a solution that is not a saddle bag, which will inevitably damage the plastic. Just for reference, I chose to go another route: remove the plastic all together. Mount a plate and lighting on the bag, and with an additional bracket, remount the rear camera. I added a plug into the light harness to allow me extended wire for the bag, or back to standard for the plastic trim. Bit of a pain if you need to change the tyre cause the strap goes through the tubular frame, but I hope to spend more time adding rubbish to the bag than I do changing tyres. Same as yours, about 10 mins and 6 screws to change the plastic out. I mounted an auxiliary plate to the bag so I didn't have to keep changing plates over (the aux stays on the bag when not used). There may be legalities of having an aux and no main plate, also I didn't bother with the fog light and bagged and taped the plug, something your solution overcomes.

http://i966.photobucket.com/albums/a...psx6odzmrx.jpg

Just curious in your solution: obviously you spaced the tubular frame out? This is held by 4 screws on the right, the lower one being a square drive about 3mm sq. Try as i might, I couldn't remove this one troublesome screw. 3mm sq doesn't leave a lot of play room for applying torque before rounding the little bugger off.

nj swb 20-10-16 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by sharkcaver (Post 522645)
Just curious in your solution: obviously you spaced the tubular frame out? This is held by 4 screws on the right, the lower one being a square drive about 3mm sq. Try as i might, I couldn't remove this one troublesome screw. 3mm sq doesn't leave a lot of play room for applying torque before rounding the little bugger off.

Mine was a completely smooth head - looked like one of those fancy security screws that shear the driving head off once the desired torque is reached.

A 1/4" drill bit took care of that - a standard M6 8.8 bolt now does its job.

geopaj 21-10-16 12:36 AM

After seeing nj's solution in person, I have to say it is a simple but elegant solution (just wish I'd thought of it first...)

Ian Sharpe 21-10-16 03:59 AM

Just wondering why you want a bag on the wheel? My NL hasnt had a cover on the spare for nearly 20 years & its doing OK.

old Jack 21-10-16 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Ian Sharpe (Post 522664)
Just wondering why you want a bag on the wheel? My NL hasnt had a cover on the spare for nearly 20 years & its doing OK.

The bag is not to cover and protect the spare wheel, the spare wheel is used to mount the bag and the bag is used for wet/dirty recovery gear and carrying your rubbish out with you on a trip.

Not having a spare wheel to hang a rubbish bag off, I have a poly weave sack that I put full rubbish bags into and it is then stored in the centre of the spare tyre carcass and tied in. If it is only a few days worth of rubbish and we are not carrying the spare carcass then the same bag is just placed in a rear footwell for transit.

Most people do not consider how much potential rubbish they are taking away with them that must be disposed off correctly, hence the litter problem at many campsites.
We do not pack any glass on longer offroad trips, drinks are in cans and cask, food is in plastic or cardboard. Paper, food scraps and cardboard are burnt in the campfire, plastics and metal are carried out after being washed clean Using the used dishwashing water before it is disposed off. Over the years we have been able to reduce our carry out rubbish to very little.

OJ.

nj swb 21-10-16 08:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by old Jack (Post 522673)
The bag is not to cover and protect the spare wheel, the spare wheel is used to mount the bag and the bag is used for wet/dirty recovery gear and carrying your rubbish out with you on a trip.

Not having a spare wheel to hang a rubbish bag off, I have a poly weave sack that I put full rubbish bags into and it is then stored in the centre of the spare tyre carcass and tied in. If it is only a few days worth of rubbish and we are not carrying the spare carcass then the same bag is just placed in a rear footwell for transit.

This.

Because we have a 10c container deposit scheme operating in SA, I had a couple of rubbish bags in there, and a separate bag for the returnables.

When we were collecting firewood, I felt a little left out, not having a roof rack to load up. So I collected some kindling (OK, slightly tongue in cheek...)

http://scorpro.com.au/images/Bag_Fra...snvwfxyyt1.jpg

After this attempt to turn my NT into a submarine, I had a wet and sandy snatchstrap - so that was rolled up and placed into the bag.

http://scorpro.com.au/images/Bag_Fra...sjwmw8gb11.jpg


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