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  • Apollo
    Member
    • Dec 2016
    • 118
    • Cooloola Coast QLD

    Some PC towing fuel figures

    Had the chance to review the fuel usage of my PC (manual, chipped, standard setup except nudge bar and lights with 10000kms) towing a 6m x 2.5m x 1400kg-1500kg boat. Boat is wide and long but really only has a windscreen higher than the PC. Both trip fuel calcs done by fuel used v km travelled. First trip was hilly country travelling 80-100km/hr returning 10.8l/100kms and the second trip was flatter, so 90-100km/hr returning 9.8L/100km. Pretty happy with that. Interestingly, the fuel usage figure from the on board was pretty close (0.1-0.3L/100km) to actual. I havent put the GPS against the indicated speed so that might effect the above figures (5-10%?).

    Will be interesting to play with different settings on the chip tuner to see if the fuel usages changes.
    Last edited by Apollo; 14-03-17, 08:00 AM.
  • wasarangie
    Valued Member
    • Jul 2010
    • 1075
    • Ocean Grove

    #2
    Those figures are similar to mine with the factory size tyres on. With the larger ones it increases by 0.9 lt/100.
    I run a Steinbauer and when towing turn it up a notch. Does not effect fuel much at all, just helps with the hills and holding cruise. Camper weighs approx 1850kg when on a trip.
    SOLD MY11 PB LS Challenger Manual,

    MY18 Ford Ranger Wildtrak, Auto. Smartbar Stealth. Warn 9k winch, Redarc dual battery system. over tub rack system. Minecorp phone mount. Folding Phone and UHF antennae mounts. 9" LED driving lights. Assortment of extras from Tickford.

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    • littleriver
      Valued Member
      • Jan 2013
      • 3339
      • Queensland

      #3
      great figures ... show's Chips/Tunes/Remaps are doing their thing

      manuals seem to be out doing the automatic transmissions by a great margin ...

      would be interesting to seem some members put up their Auto figures also

      8.0L/100km ; 1200km round trip (x4 Adults) ; 100-110km/h (Gps) ; loaded for glamping (cabin on the lake) ...

      *Ecu Remap*

      ...
      Last edited by littleriver; 13-03-17, 11:27 PM.
      2012 PB Challenger LS (Manual) Safari Snorkel, OZtec shocks front & rear with King Springs (lift 2 inch) , 22 inch light bar on ECB Nudge bar, roof racks & basket, Bridgestone Duelers 697 LT A/T (116S), Uniden Dash cam, Oricom 2 way radio 80 channel, Ipod connected via glove box usb, Waeco cf50, Garmin gps (with topo), Opticoat + paint protection, Nilrust proofing, Roosystems Ecu Remap

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      • mudguard1
        Member
        • Nov 2012
        • 122
        • Sanctuary Point

        #4
        12 ltrs / 100klms average towing a 1900kg fully loaded Jayco 16ft 6 poptop single axle caravan.
        Down to 11 on flat roads no wind , worst ever recorded was 16.5 in hilly country and high winds
        Challenger is stock standard Base model Auto with Original Bridgestone tyres.
        White 2012, Automatic base model, full alloy front Bar , bonnet protect, headlight protect, rear park sensors, rear dust deflector , 3 tonne tow bar, window tint, floor mats, alloy spare wheel. Tow a 2 tonne poptop caravan with HR load levellers .

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        • bmurray2250
          Member
          • Jan 2011
          • 96
          • Brisbane

          #5
          16L/100KM towing a camper on Fraser Island. Highway was around 12L/100KM

          I have my ECU tuned

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          • Apollo
            Member
            • Dec 2016
            • 118
            • Cooloola Coast QLD

            #6
            Originally posted by bmurray2250 View Post
            16L/100KM towing a camper on Fraser Island. Highway was around 12L/100KM

            I have my ECU tuned
            Auto or manual?

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            • littleriver
              Valued Member
              • Jan 2013
              • 3339
              • Queensland

              #7
              Originally posted by Apollo View Post
              Auto or manual?
              my money is on Auto



              ...
              2012 PB Challenger LS (Manual) Safari Snorkel, OZtec shocks front & rear with King Springs (lift 2 inch) , 22 inch light bar on ECB Nudge bar, roof racks & basket, Bridgestone Duelers 697 LT A/T (116S), Uniden Dash cam, Oricom 2 way radio 80 channel, Ipod connected via glove box usb, Waeco cf50, Garmin gps (with topo), Opticoat + paint protection, Nilrust proofing, Roosystems Ecu Remap

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              • DID Dash
                Member
                • Aug 2016
                • 207
                • Australia

                #8
                I have averaged 14.0 ~ 14.5 l/100 towing my soft floor offroad camper (1200kg) with the current vehicle since 2013. The Challenger is manual, mechanically standard, has a factory alloy bullbar and 3 roofbars on the top, with 265/70R17 A/T's and the camper also has A/T tyres. I travel at the posted speed limit, so often touring at 110km/h.

                Having owned and towed the same camper for some 12 years with various vehicles I checked to see how the Challenger compared with previous cars. It's interesting: on average, NM Pajero 2.8 Diesel M/T 14 ~ 14.5, NS Pajero 3.2DID Auto 13.5 ~14.0, wife's 380 M/T 13 ~ 13.5 and wife's Outlander 2.4 M/T 13.5 ~ 14.0. Given the consistency, I don't worry about the economy so much but do keep a record just for interest.
                17MY Pajero Sport, Factory Towbar, King Springs KCRS-23/Pedders 5899 Cones, 265/70R17 A/T's for the rough trips.

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                • Loady1
                  Member
                  • Aug 2016
                  • 135
                  • Queensland

                  #9
                  Don't be offended by when I say that I am amazed by the number of posts where people think that 12.5 to15 litres per hundred is a great towing figure. I previously owned a manual Amarok 120kw 400NM, that consistently towed my 1000kg camper and returned 10 to 11 l/100km. I am still coming to terms with the reality that my PS will probably never achieve those figures.
                  Late 2016 PS 5 seat. Bridgestone ATRs, Kings KCRS-23, KCFS-55, Bilsteins , PROVENT 200, Safari snorkel, bash plates.
                  Hayman Reese towbar. Tow pro elite.

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                  • RMX
                    Senior Member
                    • Apr 2011
                    • 309
                    • Melbourne

                    #10
                    Shit, I'm struggling to get 12.5L/100 with the Challenger daily on 33" MTs (Manual, winch, bar work, drawers/fridge/stereo, roof basket @ 2400kg inc driver), nevermind towing.

                    Exhaust, chip, cooler:





                    Admittedly the odo is atleast 7% out so an average of 12.7L/100 (with the 33s) goes down to 11.8L/100.
                    Last edited by RMX; 16-03-17, 03:07 PM.
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                    • Apollo
                      Member
                      • Dec 2016
                      • 118
                      • Cooloola Coast QLD

                      #11
                      All good and interesting figures

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                      • Flatbiskit
                        Member
                        • Jan 2011
                        • 82
                        • ACT

                        #12
                        WOW I would love to get some of the quoted figures.

                        As I have stated in other posts, I am getting around 19-20L/100Km when towing my Jayco swan outback.

                        I am coming to terms with these figures as normal as I have probably done to much to the car. On the plus side it has an ECU tune and there is a 3" exhaust in the near future.

                        On the down side, 2" lift, steel bull bar with winch, roof basket,(which is loaded with bikes when traveling) 32" tyres, Rear draws, and a family of 4.

                        The van is about 1,800kg when loaded.

                        It is better with the tune than before and has a lot more torque which helps. I know the lift and tyres added almost 2L/100Km.

                        Would I cahnge the car if i had the chance? Probably not I have a mate with a stock 200 series towing a 2t van getting similar figures to me so not much to gain and has no extras.

                        Geoff.
                        2013 Auto Challenger, TJM bull bar and 9,500Lbs winch | Icom 440n UHF | Ultimate Suspension 2" lift with air bags | Titan rear draws | Still more to come.

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                        • Apollo
                          Member
                          • Dec 2016
                          • 118
                          • Cooloola Coast QLD

                          #13
                          Just to add some more data to this thread. 4000km (at or below speed limits) trip at full camping mode, so 3.6t PC (2.5t) + camper (1100kg), 265/75/16 muddies on car and camper, 2" lift, roof racks/awning, nudge bar, manual, chipped, ECR block over a mixed terrain of highway 2500km, corrugation/BDust dirt roads 800km, very hilly mixed roads 500km, 4wd mix of 4H & 4L 200km. Total average fuel used for trip 12.5L/100kms. Got a Cape trip in 3 months, so will be interested in the numbers for that.

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                          • Rob e g
                            Junior Member
                            • Jul 2012
                            • 10
                            • Grafton.NSW.

                            #14
                            Rob e g

                            My auto PB 2012 has given me high 9kpl to low 10kpl in standard trim . Now with BFG All-terrain tyres ARB bullbar and winch drivinglights towbar roofracks side awning longrange fueltank ETC> fuel consumpsion has increased to around mid 11kpl. Went on a 8500kl trip from the northcoast down through SYDNEY to Wagga Port Augusta Ayres rock Kings canyon West and East Macdonald ranges Alice Springs Three Wayes and back to the north coast of N.S.W towing a Cub off-road trailer. Fitted a three inch exhaust before we left .. Averaged 14.6 for the trip <best was12. 6 and worst was 15.8 >. Since then we have an 18ft jaco outback and had three trips with consumpsion fighures of 16.8kpl to 17.4kpl on highway at highway speeds were possible....Car has 73500kl on the clock.....

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                            • scott1482
                              Member
                              • Aug 2010
                              • 76
                              • central coast

                              #15
                              [QUOTE=Flatbiskit;542712]WOW I would love to get some of the quoted figures.

                              As I have stated in other posts, I am getting around 19-20L/100Km when towing my Jayco swan outback.

                              I am coming to terms with these figures as normal as I have probably done to much to the car. On the plus side it has an ECU tune and there is a 3" exhaust in the near future.

                              On the down side, 2" lift, steel bull bar with winch, roof basket,(which is loaded with bikes when traveling) 32" tyres, Rear draws, and a family of 4.

                              The van is about 1,800kg when loaded.

                              It is better with the tune than before and has a lot more torque which helps. I know the lift and tyres added almost 2L/100Km.

                              Would I cahnge the car if i had the chance? Probably not I have a mate with a stock 200 series towing a 2t van getting similar figures to me so not much to gain and has no extras.

                              Geoff


                              All the drag from what’s loaded on the roof would add a couple of litres a hundred

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