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  • werner
    Member
    • Jul 2008
    • 88

    Towing capacity and electric brakes

    Can somebody explain where I stand with insurance if involved in a crash with my boat and trailer at 1500kg but no electric/hydrolic brakes but the car rated as 3t with brakes.
    By law I dont need brakes up to 2000 kg but the car is rated for 3t braked according to manufacturer.
    Technically I am insured as they state only for the trailer to be "braked " and it does have a hand brake.
    Does my wife then count as a second hand brake...............
    How does the trailer builders get past the safety inspection if a trailer will obviously take a boat of far more than 750 kg ?
  • mrberry
    Junior Member
    • Jan 2009
    • 28
    • Sydney

    #2
    In NSW every trailer over 750kg must have brakes irrespective of the capicity of the towing vehicle. I dont know which state you are in or what their rules are though.
    2007 NS Pajero VRX Diesel auto, Smartbar, Mits towbar, Bushskinz intercooler, sump and transmission guards, Bridgestone 694's, 17" Speedy Baja wheels, Cargo barrier, Garmin Nuvi 1390T GPS, LRA 81L Aux tank, Rear view camera, Thule roof racks, Cargo Pod, Electric brakes, Reverse parking sensors, Spare wheel lifter, Extended towbar tongue , ironman awning, aired snorkel, lovells HD raised springs and blistering shocks, dual battery setup.

    Awaiting: Diff breathers, polyair bags.

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    • brett
      Valued Member
      • Jun 2007
      • 1402

      #3
      If it has a handbrake then it probably has mechanical over rider brakes which is ok and as said must have in NSW for over 750kg

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      • jawk
        Valued Member
        • Feb 2009
        • 542
        • Australia

        #4
        The pajero itself is rated at 750kg unbraked. On top of Vic & NSW law requiring brakes over 750kg.
        Cheers
        Gary

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        • mrbitchi
          Valued Member
          • Jun 2007
          • 3577
          • Brisbane

          #5
          Originally posted by werner View Post
          By law I dont need brakes up to 2000 kg
          Fail. If over 750KG you MUST have brakes on the trailer.
          Cheers, John.
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          MY12 LC200 GXL 4.5Lt V8 twin turbo, GVM upgrade, ARB bar, Warn winch, Outback Acc rear bar and dual carrier, TJM sidesteps, Bushskinz, Long Ranger 180Lt tank, Black Widow drawers, cargo barrier, Polaris Awning, +++
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          • Avanner
            Member
            • Jul 2007
            • 151

            #6
            Doesn?t matter what State you are in. We now have the ?Australian Road Rules?

            To register a trailer it must comply with the ?Australian Design Rules?

            The GTM (Gross Tare Mass) includes the load

            Your insurance can be voided by your insurer if you are not complying.

            Trailers up to and including 750 kg GTM do not require brakes. Minimum trailer brake requirements
            are as follows:

            ? trailers not over 2000 kg GTM must have an efficient braking system operating on the wheels
            on at least one axle;
            ? trailers up to and including 2000 kg GTM are permitted to have over-ride brakes;
            ? brakes (other than over-ride) must be able to be operated from the driver?s seated position;
            ? trailers over 2000 kg GTM require a brake system (breakaway brakes) that automatically
            applies if the trailer becomes detached from the towing vehicle; and
            ? trailers over 2000 kg GTM must have brakes operating on all wheels.

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            • Yonnee
              Valued Member
              • Jun 2007
              • 472
              • Tooradin, Vic. Aust.

              #7
              Originally posted by mrbitchi View Post
              Fail. If over 750KG you MUST have brakes on the trailer.
              And that's AUSTRALIA wide!

              Your rated towing limits, whether they be Mitsubishi or the towbar manufacturer, will be "750Kg un-braked & 3000Kg braked".
              "So many projects, so little time... even less money!"

              Trailer enthusist - Repairs, Modifications, Customs, Electric Brake specialist.

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              • gaz1
                Valued Member
                • Jun 2007
                • 1411
                • Blue Mountains NSW

                #8
                Originally posted by Avanner View Post

                The GTM (Gross Tare Mass) includes the load
                I think the ADR definitions for load are something along the lines of:

                ATM (aggregate trailer mass) = total trailer weight including load and any weight on the towball

                GTM (gross trailer mass) = the weight that is carried on the wheels and axles

                Tare = the total weight of the empty trailer, including any load imposed on the towball.
                2010 MY 2011 VR-X V6. Stock standard.

                Previously 02 NM auto V6 Exceed silver. Extra transmission cooler & transmission temp gauge, activated rear lights, Impco sequential LPG system, Redback (Wildcat) Headers, heavy duty radiator. Lovells shocks F & R, Polyair bags in rear.

                My original Pajero experience - '90 NG Superwagon, 3.0 V6 manual bought new and kept until 1998. Great vehicle, no problems apart from the noisy valve lifters typical of that engine.

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                • werner
                  Member
                  • Jul 2008
                  • 88

                  #9
                  Tailer brakes

                  The QLD transport rules are above 750kg brakes and below 2000 this means my manual handbrake on trailer is legal according to manufacturer as my GVM is 1600kg.

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                  • gaz1
                    Valued Member
                    • Jun 2007
                    • 1411
                    • Blue Mountains NSW

                    #10
                    Not sure what you mean by 'manual handbrake on trailer' but unless it is activated by either the footbrake of the tow vehicle, or by an over-ride mechanism on the trailer (that automatically applies the trailer brakes when the tow vehicle slows down), then it will not comply with ADR 38.4.3 which reads:
                    "4.3. The ?Brake System? on trailers with a ?Gross Trailer Mass? up to 2 tonnes may be actuated for both ?Service Brake System? and ?Secondary Brake System? by the over-run of the trailer."

                    ADRs supersede State regulations.
                    2010 MY 2011 VR-X V6. Stock standard.

                    Previously 02 NM auto V6 Exceed silver. Extra transmission cooler & transmission temp gauge, activated rear lights, Impco sequential LPG system, Redback (Wildcat) Headers, heavy duty radiator. Lovells shocks F & R, Polyair bags in rear.

                    My original Pajero experience - '90 NG Superwagon, 3.0 V6 manual bought new and kept until 1998. Great vehicle, no problems apart from the noisy valve lifters typical of that engine.

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                    • mrbitchi
                      Valued Member
                      • Jun 2007
                      • 3577
                      • Brisbane

                      #11
                      Originally posted by gaz1 View Post
                      Not sure what you mean by 'manual handbrake on trailer' but unless it is activated by either the footbrake of the tow vehicle, or by an over-ride mechanism on the trailer (that automatically applies the trailer brakes when the tow vehicle slows down), then it will not comply with ADR 38.4.3 which reads:
                      "4.3. The ?Brake System? on trailers with a ?Gross Trailer Mass? up to 2 tonnes may be actuated for both ?Service Brake System? and ?Secondary Brake System? by the over-run of the trailer."

                      ADRs supersede State regulations.
                      X2
                      Cheers, John.
                      LC200 V8 goodness

                      MY12 LC200 GXL 4.5Lt V8 twin turbo, GVM upgrade, ARB bar, Warn winch, Outback Acc rear bar and dual carrier, TJM sidesteps, Bushskinz, Long Ranger 180Lt tank, Black Widow drawers, cargo barrier, Polaris Awning, +++
                      Ex - NM auto, 2"Kings, Bilsteins, Buckshots, Wildcat headers, 2.75" Mandrel bent exhaust, Injected LPG, Smartbar, Scraper bar, Bushskinz, Custom steps, Dual Batteries, Breathers, Black Widow drawers, Polaris Awning.

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